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The First Century Void
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RE: The First Century Void
July 10, 2017 at 12:00 pm
(July 10, 2017 at 11:15 am)Cyberman Wrote: In a word: politics. Seriously, you need to read up on how the bible was compiled.

Oh and the whole xtians vs lions thing is a myth.

Have we ruled out 'self fulfilling prophesy' yet ??


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RE: The First Century Void
July 10, 2017 at 12:04 pm
I don't need to do self-fulfilling. My track record speaks for itself.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The First Century Void
July 10, 2017 at 12:15 pm
(July 10, 2017 at 11:50 am)Dropship Wrote:
(July 10, 2017 at 11:15 am)Cyberman Wrote: In a word: politics. Seriously, you need to read up on how the bible was compiled.
Oh and the whole xtians vs lions thing is a myth.

1- As I understand it, as the years went on after Jesus's execution, people said to the disciples- "Hey, put it all down on paper and get it published"  and bingo! the gospels were born, or am I missing something?

2-  According to the historian Tacitus, Christians during Nero's time (at least) were mainly torn apart by dogs, crucified, or burned alive. The Romans did throw people to lions on occasion, so it's quite probable nasty xtians were among them.
Another historian, Tertullian, writing later remarks that the Romans were always ready to exclaim "Away with the Christians to the lion!".

I think he is talking about the formation of the canon.
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RE: The First Century Void
July 10, 2017 at 12:16 pm
Yep, basically.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The First Century Void
July 10, 2017 at 12:25 pm
(July 10, 2017 at 11:03 am)Dropship Wrote: Not sure I follow you mate. Didn't Christianity kick in well before the 5th century?
And why would the early Christians want to make it all up and get themselves thrown to the lions?

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RE: The First Century Void
July 10, 2017 at 12:55 pm
(July 10, 2017 at 12:15 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(July 10, 2017 at 11:50 am)Dropship Wrote: 1- As I understand it, as the years went on after Jesus's execution, people said to the disciples- "Hey, put it all down on paper and get it published"  and bingo! the gospels were born, or am I missing something?

2-  According to the historian Tacitus, Christians during Nero's time (at least) were mainly torn apart by dogs, crucified, or burned alive. The Romans did throw people to lions on occasion, so it's quite probable nasty xtians were among them.
Another historian, Tertullian, writing later remarks that the Romans were always ready to exclaim "Away with the Christians to the lion!".

I think he is talking about the formation of the canon.

(July 10, 2017 at 12:16 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Yep, basically.

I'm a little familiar with it, although; haven't done a real in depth study on it.   I'm curious what you think in particular should be focused on?

Please don't tell me it's the Constantine crap!
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RE: The First Century Void
July 10, 2017 at 12:57 pm
(July 10, 2017 at 11:50 am)Dropship Wrote:
(July 10, 2017 at 11:15 am)Cyberman Wrote: In a word: politics. Seriously, you need to read up on how the bible was compiled.
Oh and the whole xtians vs lions thing is a myth.

1- As I understand it, as the years went on after Jesus's execution, people said to the disciples- "Hey, put it all down on paper and get it published"  and bingo! the gospels were born, or am I missing something?

2-  According to the historian Tacitus, Christians during Nero's time (at least) were mainly torn apart by dogs, crucified, or burned alive. The Romans did throw people to lions on occasion, so it's quite probable nasty xtians were among them.
Another historian, Tertullian, writing later remarks that the Romans were always ready to exclaim "Away with the Christians to the lion!".

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RE: The First Century Void
July 10, 2017 at 3:08 pm
(July 10, 2017 at 11:03 am)Dropship Wrote: Not sure I follow you mate. Didn't Christianity kick in well before the 5th century?
And why would the early Christians want to make it all up and get themselves thrown to the lions?

You're talking about the myth of Roman persecutions of christians. They are simply made up, with the exception of the persecutions during the time of Diocletian. And we have enough documentary evidence from the Principate to know where they got them from, the jews, who were persecuted by Rome, largely for the three revolts between c70CE and c150CE.
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RE: The First Century Void
July 10, 2017 at 6:04 pm
To the romans, early christers were just batshit jews.  Wink
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RE: The First Century Void
July 10, 2017 at 7:42 pm
The persecution  narrative has some serious issues

http://www.atheistscholar.org/Christiani...ution.aspx

https://infidels.org/library/modern/rich...cuted.html

And really good discussion  on this topic on

http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/65072-...erpolated/

Oh and for everyone else here's really good site on biblical studies

http://vridar.org/
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