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RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 25, 2017 at 7:12 pm
(June 25, 2017 at 7:00 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Where you under the impression that child rape only became wrong last thursday, or something? That, if you had a time machine...you could go back and loot and pillage and rape with the alleged founder of your religion.......and that would be totally kosher? That's a convenient set of morals for a child rapist, I'd imagine. Maybe it's only wrong on the second friday of every month that falls on a even number? Or maybe it's only wrong during one holy month. Or maybe it's only wrong five times a day..when you should be doing something else?
Maybe it's only wrong when your victims don't totally want it/love it/have it coming?
You didn't answer my question. Also, it seems that nothing can be said or done to talk you out of any stereotype you hold against Islam. If your mind is already made up about this religion, you're wasting time by coming here and stating unproven allegations and/or talking about how Islam should like according to your tastes. Finally, it's marriage, not rape ; even the most extremist interpretations of Islamic history rule out the possibility that Muhammad actually forced Aisha to marry him.
(June 25, 2017 at 7:00 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If you have to ask, that might explain why you don't see a problem with your prophets actions.
If you don't have an answer, don't bother answering my questions with baseless accusations
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RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 25, 2017 at 7:23 pm
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(June 25, 2017 at 7:12 pm)Parsim0ny Wrote: You didn't answer my question. Also, it seems that nothing can be said or done to talk you out of any stereotype you hold against Islam. Stereotype...I'm just summarizing your own magic book's contents? If you think that magic book makes mo, or you, or islam as a whole...look shitty....then wouldn't that be magic books problem?
Quote:If your mind is already made up about this religion, you're wasting time by coming here and stating unproven allegations and/or talking about how Islam should like according to your tastes. Finally, it's marriage, not rape ; even the most extremist interpretations of Islamic history rule out the possibility that Muhammad actually forced Aisha to marry him.
What's an unproven allegation? That mo took a child bride? That mo was a warlord? That he took slaves, some for labor..some for sex? That he murdered entire tribes? That he killed a man for treasure and then screwed his wife? Get to work redacting magic book...then?
Well, as long as the nine year old girl gave her consent.....I guess, no one, anywhere, would call it rape. Nothing could possibly have been wrong with that. I bet she loved it as much as mo's enemies wives and daughters had it coming, too. 
Quote:If you don't have an answer, don't bother answering my questions with baseless accusations
Buddy, we already -have- an objective morality thread. Go, check it out.
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RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 25, 2017 at 7:29 pm
Quote:You're right, It would've been more accurate to say that this supernatural being possesses all positive absolute attributes, thus ruling out the contradiction.
I don't see how that helps your point. The Q'ran (Sura 10, I disremember the ayat) describes God as omniscient. If God does not posses the attribute of evil, then he cannot know what it feels like for God to be evil. If he cannot know what it feels like for God to be evil, then he cannot be omniscient.
Here's a test for you: Come up with a description of God that isn't inherently contradictory or incoherent. No rush. I'll wait.
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RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 25, 2017 at 7:30 pm
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Essentially this clown is just repeating planties tired EAAN an argument that has been refuted six ways from Sunday
(June 25, 2017 at 7:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Quote:You're right, It would've been more accurate to say that this supernatural being possesses all positive absolute attributes, thus ruling out the contradiction.
I don't see how that helps your point. The Q'ran (Sura 10, I disremember the ayat) describes God as omniscient. If God does not posses the attribute of evil, then he cannot know what it feels like for God to be evil. If he cannot know what it feels like for God to be evil, then he cannot be omniscient.
Here's a test for you: Come up with a description of God that isn't inherently contradictory or incoherent. No rush. I'll wait.
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Agreed if he does not have evil attributes his nature is in contradiction
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RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 25, 2017 at 7:34 pm
(June 25, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Essentially this clown is just repeating planties tired EAAN an argument that has been refuted six ways from Sunday
(June 25, 2017 at 7:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don't see how that helps your point. The Q'ran (Sura 10, I disremember the ayat) describes God as omniscient. If God does not posses the attribute of evil, then he cannot know what it feels like for God to be evil. If he cannot know what it feels like for God to be evil, then he cannot be omniscient.
Here's a test for you: Come up with a description of God that isn't inherently contradictory or incoherent. No rush. I'll wait.
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Agreed if he does not have evil attributes his nature is in contradiction
Kind of sad when they loose the ability of independent thought.
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RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 25, 2017 at 7:38 pm
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(June 25, 2017 at 7:34 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (June 25, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Essentially this clown is just repeating planties tired EAAN an argument that has been refuted six ways from Sunday
Agreed if he does not have evil attributes his nature is in contradiction
Kind of sad when they loose the ability of independent thought.
Even sadder when the best they can come up with for a explanation of reason is mythology of a failed good who could not even create perfect minds And definition games. As opposed to something like evolution which we know is real . And more then explains our reasoning as a reflection of the world we evolved in . They essentially move reason for the only place it matters. And evidence from the only place it exists.
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RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 26, 2017 at 10:19 pm
(June 25, 2017 at 7:38 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: (June 25, 2017 at 7:34 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Kind of sad when they loose the ability of independent thought.
Even sadder when the best they can come up with for a explanation of reason is mythology of a failed good who could not even create perfect minds And definition games. As opposed to something like evolution which we know is real . And more then explains our reasoning as a reflection of the world we evolved in . They essentially move reason for the only place it matters. And evidence from the only place it exists.
I'm still waiting for some dumb fuck to come up with an explanation why we should give a fuck what that compilation of used toilet paper says about anything.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 26, 2017 at 10:23 pm
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Have you heard what allah will do to you if you don't submit?
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for op to explain something, guys outta gas.
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RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 26, 2017 at 10:30 pm
(June 26, 2017 at 10:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Have you heard what allah will do to you if you don't submit?
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for op to explain something, guys outta gas.
I didn't say anything about waiting for the OP to do the job. If anyone's going to accomplish this, I doubt they've been born yet. But at this rate they'll never be born at all.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 27, 2017 at 4:16 am
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@OP
Maybe you gave your reasoning already but I missed it, but why exactly do you believe the human mind with evolutionary origins is untrustworthy? From what I can tell, trust is about verification of the data of reality. If you can objectively verify a data point, it is reasonable to trust it. The alternative is solipsism. The idea that our brains cannot ascertain reality seems absurd and is tantamount to believing that our reality, or perception therein, is constantly being manipulated. That would defeat the notion of free will. No?
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