Do you think religion is holding society back?

[Godscreated]

Newton never denied his Christian belief and actually gave credit to it for his accomplishments. The Adventist church most certainly uses Jesus in it's medical practices. I have Adventist friends who keep me informed on such things.

GC

Newton didn't believe Jesus was divine.

Yeah, right.

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All of it, his talents came from his creator, another belief Newton understood.

Seems to me they came from years of study and rigorous application of method.  Both of which he showed.  

Guess I was wrong again.  Christ christed all of that into newton, just like christers christed all of the science from their bibles.

You're right he did put in many years of hard work and study, that came from what God gave him. God being the creator would know better than anyone else what's going on in the universe, leading Newton in the right direction would have been no problem for Him.
No much of the science we accept doesn't come from the Bible, what doesn't agree with the Bible is what we have a problem with. 

I know a top flight heart surgeon who prays for his patients. I have a friend who worked in surgery with a surgeon who prayed before every surgery, and knowing Adventist as I do they all pray before surgery. My wife read scripture to anyone who asked, she also prayed with them and you can bet she gave them the love, compassion and comfort they needed. She was a good nurse that worked in a critical care unit where most people did not leave, alive.

You mean, they got the god dose and still died?  You know...if my patients kept getting the jesus medicine and dying anyway, I'd start to wonder about the medicine.  

You know that's not what I meant, we were talking about comfort not healing. As for the surgeons, knowing how Christians pray they asked God for His help in guiding them and for His comforts upon the patient, they would ask for healing of the patient if it's in His will. Christians learn from scripture to pray in and for God's will, somethings can't be changed (God's ultimate will) and then somethings can be changed because they are not within that ultimate will.

 

The Bible is not a history book, though there is history that can be gathered from it.

GC

Some random batshit christer keeps telling me that genesis is literal.  Thanks for clearing that up.  Imma go tell them they're wrong about that, and that you said so.

That would be me! Genesis is literal as much of the Bible is, it however is neither a history book nor a science text.

GC 

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[Astonished]

Newton didn't believe Jesus was divine.

Yeah, right.

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Seems to me they came from years of study and rigorous application of method.  Both of which he showed.  

Guess I was wrong again.  Christ christed all of that into newton, just like christers christed all of the science from their bibles.

You're right he did put in many years of hard work and study, that came from what God gave him. God being the creator would know better than anyone else what's going on in the universe, leading Newton in the right direction would have been no problem for Him.
No much of the science we accept doesn't come from the Bible, what doesn't agree with the Bible is what we have a problem with. 

I know a top flight heart surgeon who prays for his patients. I have a friend who worked in surgery with a surgeon who prayed before every surgery, and knowing Adventist as I do they all pray before surgery. My wife read scripture to anyone who asked, she also prayed with them and you can bet she gave them the love, compassion and comfort they needed. She was a good nurse that worked in a critical care unit where most people did not leave, alive.

You mean, they got the god dose and still died?  You know...if my patients kept getting the jesus medicine and dying anyway, I'd start to wonder about the medicine.  

You know that's not what I meant, we were talking about comfort not healing. As for the surgeons, knowing how Christians pray they asked God for His help in guiding them and for His comforts upon the patient, they would ask for healing of the patient if it's in His will. Christians learn from scripture to pray in and for God's will, somethings can't be changed (God's ultimate will) and then somethings can be changed because they are not within that ultimate will.

 

The Bible is not a history book, though there is history that can be gathered from it.

GC

Some random batshit christer keeps telling me that genesis is literal.  Thanks for clearing that up.  Imma go tell them they're wrong about that, and that you said so.

That would be me! Genesis is literal as much of the Bible is, it however is neither a history book nor a science text.

GC 

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Wanna explain how that's not impossible? You would literally blow the field of logic wide open.

[The Grand Nudger]

You're right he did put in many years of hard work and study, that came from what God gave him.

His mommy and daddy gave him the good genes too, or did god pull another fast one on some poor schmuck?

God being the creator would know better than anyone else what's going on in the universe, leading Newton in the right direction would have been no problem for Him.

You know, I'd think so too..except...genesis.  

No much of the science we accept doesn't come from the Bible, what doesn't agree with the Bible is what we have a problem with. 

That's not how science works.  

You know that's not what I meant, we were talking about comfort not healing. As for the surgeons, knowing how Christians pray they asked God for His help in guiding them and for His comforts upon the patient, they would ask for healing of the patient if it's in His will. Christians learn from scripture to pray in and for God's will, somethings can't be changed (God's ultimate will) and then somethings can be changed because they are not within that ultimate will.

Uh, yeah..I -do- know that's not what you meant.  I also know that it takes a grade f bullshitter to make the statement that lead to this series of wheedling retractions.  Jesusism has jack shit to do with -anyones- rep in providing medicine....and you know that too. 

Some random batshit christer keeps telling me that genesis is literal.  Thanks for clearing that up.  Imma go tell them they're wrong about that, and that you said so.

That would be me! Genesis is literal as much of the Bible is, it however is neither a history book nor a science text.

Yeah, it would be you...wouldn't it.  OFC it's not a history book or a science text - but if it were literal and even remotely accurate..it would be.

[Harry Nevis]

Newton didn't believe Jesus was divine.

Yeah, right.

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He was an Arian.   But knowing that would actually be educating yourself, which is harder than blindly parroting what you think sounds good.

[Godscreated]

Yeah, right.

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He was an Arian.   But knowing that would actually be educating yourself, which is harder than blindly parroting what you think sounds good.

Arianism holds the belief that Jesus was begotten by God the Father, that Jesus was real and separate from the Father thus being subordinate to the Father. The Bible describes this very thing.

GC

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No much of the science we accept doesn't come from the Bible, what doesn't agree with the Bible is what we have a problem with.

That's not how science works.  

I didn't say how science works, I was speaking strictly about what we believe. There is so much wrong with secular science today that it's hard to know what to believe especially in the medical field. 

You know that's not what I meant, we were talking about comfort not healing. As for the surgeons, knowing how Christians pray they asked God for His help in guiding them and for His comforts upon the patient, they would ask for healing of the patient if it's in His will. Christians learn from scripture to pray in and for God's will, somethings can't be changed (God's ultimate will) and then somethings can be changed because they are not within that ultimate will.

Uh, yeah..I -do- know that's not what you meant.  I also know that it takes a grade f bullshitter to make the statement that lead to this series of wheedling retractions.  Jesusism has jack shit to do with -anyones- rep in providing medicine....and you know that too.

My wife's reputation as a nurse was a very good one and it was due to the fact she is a Christian, I personally would rather have a Christian doctor work with me than one who is atheist.

That would be me! Genesis is literal as much of the Bible is, it however is neither a history book nor a science text.

Yeah, it would be you...wouldn't it.   OFC it's not a history book or a science text - but if it were literal and even remotely accurate..it would be.

Archaeologist have used the Bible for a long time to aid them in finding many places in the Middle East.

GC

[Astonished]

You're right he did put in many years of hard work and study, that came from what God gave him.

His mommy and daddy gave him the good genes too, or did god pull another fast one on some poor schmuck?

God being the creator would know better than anyone else what's going on in the universe, leading Newton in the right direction would have been no problem for Him.

You know, I'd think so too..except...genesis.  

No much of the science we accept doesn't come from the Bible, what doesn't agree with the Bible is what we have a problem with. 

That's not how science works.  

You know that's not what I meant, we were talking about comfort not healing. As for the surgeons, knowing how Christians pray they asked God for His help in guiding them and for His comforts upon the patient, they would ask for healing of the patient if it's in His will. Christians learn from scripture to pray in and for God's will, somethings can't be changed (God's ultimate will) and then somethings can be changed because they are not within that ultimate will.

Uh, yeah..I -do- know that's not what you meant.  I also know that it takes a grade f bullshitter to make the statement that lead to this series of wheedling retractions.  Jesusism has jack shit to do with -anyones- rep in providing medicine....and you know that too. 

That would be me! Genesis is literal as much of the Bible is, it however is neither a history book nor a science text.

Yeah, it would be you...wouldn't it.   OFC it's not a history book or a science text - but if it were literal and even remotely accurate..it would be.

I'm still waiting to hear how something intended to be taken literally is not supposed to have any relevance whatsoever to history or science. That's a paradox. If it's literal, it's a factual claim being made, and those don't exist in a vacuum, those have ramifications. Unless you're admitting it's a book of fiction in which case why give it the time of day?

[ManofYesterday]

*Looks over the Atheist Forum*

Nope.