Typical theists versus typical atheists

[Mister Agenda]

I am just a man who had the chance to live the unconditional love towards all others. So no one in the world can force me have any sort of enemy in my life. If someone has enemies he can keep them for himself and his followers if any. I prefer to die than live even one second of fear of any sort.

You come off as condescending and passive-aggressive.

But on the other hand, those who are born of flesh only should be selfish because by being so they can better serve the world as each of them is supposed (pre-programmed) to do.

Is that your supposed unconditional love shining through?

By the way, why, in Jesus story, Jesus was condemned to death? Was is it for telling lies or truths?
If Jesus was telling lies, why all men on power (claimed being Christian or else) allowed the printings of his lies for about 2000 years so far.
Actually, he was condemned for telling the masses about truths concerning the real world; truths that shouldn't be heard by people who are supposed to be guided by rules of a system (claimed being religious or political, if not both).

Actually, it was for conspiracy against Rome and challenging Caesar by calling himself a King. Whether the accusations were warranted is anyone's guess.

I guess now, it is clear that, in general, theists and atheists differ just in their loyalty.

Nearly any blanket statement about theists and atheists other than the former believe at least one god or God is real and the latter don't; is bound to be an over-simplistic hasty generalization. It's clear that, in general, the atheists in this thread care about whether what they believe is justified by evidence and reason.

A theist is loyal to certain representatives of a god and/or representatives of human ideals and, therefore, support their approved stories (in history or the present ones)
An atheist is loyal to certain representatives of human ideals only and believe their approved stories (also in history and the present ones) if they are well presented and proven on their electrical monitors.

You're claiming that atheists (all atheists, apparently) are guilty of scientism. You assert that without evidence or any support whatsoever, and such an assertion isn't worth the time it took to read it.

It happens that it is out of question for me to be loyal to any specific ruling system (I guess you know why).

You're whimsical?

By the way, I didn't get married because a healthy marriage needs a third party representing a certain authority (religious or civil) to approve it, if not to bless it too   Automatically, when someone is married, he became loyal to the system that blessed his marriage otherwise his marriage would become a fake one. So I am here because my father, unlike I, didn't mind getting the permission of the Catholic Church first and live, therefore, as a good Catholic should do in order to give me the chance to exist.

So you've volunteered yourself out of the gene pool to avoid paperwork. All I can say is thanks.

Finally, I understand very well anytime someone says something like: Kerim, as presented here, doesn't exist
Indeed, Kerim cannot exist in the reality of many people as any ruling god cannot exist in Kerim's reality.

Did someone say that?

[quote=Mister Agenda]
I am disappoint.

I used presenting who I am and saying what I have in mind in order to find out if I have missed something to know that some others had the chance to witness personally.

Did you never consider forthrightly asking questions and respectfully examining the answers you were given?

It seems my sincerity just upsets people here. And, for some reasons, they can't be sincere as I am. Fortunately, some of them enjoy replying me using innovative unfriendly expressions. This is better than nothing.

Keep telling yourself that it's your sincerity that bugs people if it helps you feel better about what you post.

[Astonished]

If it's sincerity, this person is several points below Forrest Gump's level of cognition and that's just goddamn sad, no wonder this inanity took root so deeply. If it's just trolling, it's of the laughably pathetic sort that can't even get a rise out of someone because it's so innocuous.

[KerimF]

In the past, I thought that only faithful/obedient theists don’t need to question seriously their religious supervisors about the stories which have been approved by their religious Elite (whatever their titles may be).

But, after 9/11/2001 and to my big surprise, I discovered that most Americans also prefer not discussing/analyzing, even with themselves, any subject/story that has been approved by their State Department (or equivalent).
To prove that my first observations don’t reflect a general case, I joined more American forums of different beliefs. But, in one forum after another and for about 14 years, I couldn’t meet even one American who talked to me openly about any political matter as a real free rational man does, though a few ones did it via one or two private messages.
Lately, in one American forum, I tried my best not to talk politics as seen from outside USA to keep the climate soft. But in this forum, I was asked, once a while, about what was happening in Aleppo, where I live, mainly during its peak crisis and after its partial liberation (since there are still a few thousands of foreign long dark Islamist beards, at its west country, who keep launching missiles at random over some of its neighborhoods). This friendly attitude encouraged me to ask a member something like:
“I wonder how many of the 9/11 evidences, concerning the decision makers behind this international crime, you had the chance to hear of and how they were presented?” I also added:
“I am asking you this for my personal knowledge only and not to convince you about anything.”

He kindly replied me:
“I think many Americans question the official story after looking at and weighing the evidence.”

I guess not less than 99% of Americans would also reply this way if asked about these evidences.

Now, you know why you didn't surprised me anytime I wrote you facts, as lived or seen from outside America but related to politics, by skipping them in various clever ways (under the pretext they are non-sense, lunatic, idiotic... etc. but without adding any useful info to prove they are indeed wrong; at least as seen from inside America).

So, I guess you agree with me now that this forum is indeed not different from the other ones I knew.

Congratulations, there will be no more posts from Kerim whose unconditional love seems hurting most members here, if not all.
As some of you know, Jesus Love did also hurt the honorable Jewish elders at his time to the point they had to ask for his death as being a dangerous criminal/terrorist (worse than Barabbas), threatening their entire nation, Israel (the genuine one, not the today’s military base called Israel to please its permanent Israeli/Jewish mercenaries imported to it from all over the world). Yes, one unarmed loving man could scare an entire nation, not just a forum

Wish you all, theists and atheists, a happy long life.

[bennyboy]

Congratulations, there will be no more posts from Kerim whose unconditional love seems hurting most members here, if not all.

You fell off of that particular high horse a long time ago. Your "unconditional love" is just hypocrisy.

Wish you all, theists and atheists, a happy long life.

Thanks, Mother Teresa. Your blessing will ensure our happiness, I'm sure.

[LastPoet]

Wait unconditional love?

And here I spent my whole life thinking that love requires love in return.

[Mister Agenda]

Unconditional love exists for the purpose of shaming people from a claimed high horse, in my experience.

[Brian37]

Wait unconditional love?

And here I spent my whole life thinking that love requires love in return.

"Love" is a loaded word. It is not an either or or yes and no thing.

Our species are social, to that end we value things that benefit us. "Love" stems from that emotion of finding support. That part is normal. What is utopia and false is that it does not take into account our entire species globally.

We value what we are familiar with and fight which challenges our resources or social norms. We far too much think locally, not globally in cosmic time.

I do LOVE my species potential  capability of compassion, but they don't always do that. I do not love physical violence.  Our species has always displayed great acts of compassion, but unfortunately at the same time great acts of cruelty. Evolution unfortunately does not care which wins. 

I am not obligated to love someone I have never met, but even when I dont, self preservation should, but it does not enough, foster the idea that cooperation leads to less conflict.

[Astonished]

Honestly it's hard to really consider it a good idea to give unconditional love to anyone but your own children (even if adopted, if the conscious choice is made to do so and not just because your drug-addict sibling pawned them off on you.) Or maybe love is just too strong a word for it; yes a sense of cooperation for mutual benefit should be aspired to but since we can't trust everyone to either agree to that or comprehend it enough to put it into practice, it's not practical to go into anything with that as a default assumption.

But there's no better example of even the most obvious situations for unconditional love to apply being corrupted into the exact opposite than when religion is involved. Families disowning their non-hetero-oriented kids or those who've come to the conclusion that the family's faith is exactly what it objectively is. I've noticed a strong correlation between this effect, and the amount of respect demanded by religion when no justification for it is given. It's so ass-backwards. Unconditional familial love is withheld, while undeserved respect is demanded.

[A. Secular Human]

In the past, I thought that only faithful/obedient theists don’t need to question seriously their religious supervisors about the stories which have been approved by their religious Elite (whatever their titles may be).

But, after 9/11/2001 and to my big surprise, I discovered that most Americans also prefer not discussing/analyzing, even with themselves, any subject/story that has been approved by their State Department (or equivalent).
To prove that my first observations don’t reflect a general case, I joined more American forums of different beliefs. But, in one forum after another and for about 14 years, I couldn’t meet even one American who talked to me openly about any political matter as a real free rational man does, though a few ones did it via one or two private messages.
Lately, in one American forum, I tried my best not to talk politics as seen from outside USA to keep the climate soft. But in this forum, I was asked, once a while, about what was happening in Aleppo, where I live, mainly during its peak crisis and after its partial liberation (since there are still a few thousands of foreign long dark Islamist beards, at its west country, who keep launching missiles at random over some of its neighborhoods). This friendly attitude encouraged me to ask a member something like:
“I wonder how many of the 9/11 evidences, concerning the decision makers behind this international crime, you had the chance to hear of and how they were presented?” I also added:
“I am asking you this for my personal knowledge only and not to convince you about anything.”

He kindly replied me:
“I think many Americans question the official story after looking at and weighing the evidence.”

I guess not less than 99% of Americans would also reply this way if asked about these evidences.

Now, you know why you didn't surprised me anytime I wrote you facts, as lived or seen from outside America but related to politics, by skipping them in various clever ways (under the pretext they are non-sense, lunatic, idiotic... etc. but without adding any useful info to prove they are indeed wrong; at least as seen from inside America).

So, I guess you agree with me now that this forum is indeed not different from the other ones I knew.

Congratulations, there will be no more posts from Kerim whose unconditional love seems hurting most members here, if not all.
As some of you know, Jesus Love did also hurt the honorable Jewish elders at his time to the point they had to ask for his death as being a dangerous criminal/terrorist (worse than Barabbas), threatening their entire nation, Israel (the genuine one, not the today’s military base called Israel to please its permanent Israeli/Jewish mercenaries imported to it from all over the world). Yes, one unarmed loving man could scare an entire nation, not just a forum

Wish you all, theists and atheists, a happy long life.

" 'I think many Americans question the official story after looking at and weighing the evidence.'
I guess not less than 99% of Americans would also reply this way if asked about these evidences."

IMO, you're not even in the right order of magnitude.  There are *many* who believe these loony conspiracy theories, but they certainly don't make up a majority.

Do you have any actual evidence to support your 99% claim?

[arewethereyet]

6 year old thread.  Closing it.