Lol the bible is actually ok with pedophilia, proof from passage

[Chad32]

It's about brutality. Like killing her family, dragging her to your house, shaving her head, holding her prisoner for a month, and threatening to throw her out on the street if she doesn't go along with your plans. Yep, that sounds about right. And the bible does not always see Adam as being to blame, as has been pointed out.

I know you want to see this book in as good a light as possible, and if it doesn't specifically say something is a certain way in plain text, you just ignore the implications of it. Because thinking that the guys are just bringing these girls into their homes and marrying them as an act of mercy because they have no other options, when it should be obvious there are other options. A war was going on....that the former Egyptian slaves started. If they wanted to allow for refugee camps, or a migration to other areas, or other things to allow civilians to remain together and have a normal existence. 

But no, they had orders from on high to slaughter the locals because their god told them they could have the land, and loved the smell of blood.

[drfuzzy]

Wives that the guy never had sex with? I doubt it. I also doubt that anyone would want to have consensual sex with someone who killed their family and friends. Most people see rape as non consensual sex. what is rape to you? Why do you think it wouldn't count then, when it would count now? Because the people in power didn't consider it rape? That's kind of a flimsy excuse. 

We still have people today who think slavery is ok. If you were kidnapped in one of those countries and enslaved, I doubt you'd just be ok with it because it's their culture, and we shouldn't judge them by our standards.

 Of course they would have sex with them, they would be there wives and the scriptures tell us they did. Rape is brutal non-consensual sex, rape is more about violence than it is sex. You haven't proven it would be non-consensual sex, you are assuming it was non-consensual.

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The land was promised to the Israelites long before they came out of Egypt, this is the land God gave to Abraham. The Israelites had to take the land because others were occupying it. As the Israelites were defeating their enemies what were they to do with these women, turn them loose that would have meant certain death for them. God had the Israelites to take these women in and give them an opportunity at a life. You keep referring to those times as if they were the same as today when they were not, it was a totally different world. The women taken were in need of men to survive (this was the way the whole world worked) and so I would say they were able to accept their situation.

You have an unrealistic idea about slavery, individual criminal organizations run the slave trade of today not countries. Those who engage in this type of slavery are criminals also, that's the way the world works today.

GC

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Rape is any sexual act that is non-consensual.  The level of violence involved is irrelevant.  A prisoner/child/captive/kidnap victim cannot give consent because they are not free to do so. People used to think that "marital rape" was impossible. This is because the wife was the PROPERTY of the husband, and she did not have a right to decide what happened to her own body. Marital rape only because a crime in all fifty US states in 1993.

[rexbeccarox]

Holy shit, GC; you've outdone even yourself.

Rape is about consent, not necessarily brutality. Once again, you're trying to justify rape and slavery in order to apologize for the Great Slavemaster in the sky.

[Inkfeather132]

This wasn't even about the rape of an adult woman (which is still wrong), it was about the fact that the passage specifies that the prisoners are female children. Sorry, but in my opinion sex with a child is always rape. I don't care how gentle it is, I don't care if she's married to you, if she's a child it is rape. But wait, don't tell me. The Bible obviously meant that the guy would wait to have sex with her until after she had been his slave for a decade and had Stockholm Syndrome, right?

 Where does it say that they married them while they were children, you are good at putting everyone in the same category. I also explained that the women/children would die on there own, they had no way to make a living and people couldn't afford to take them in even if they could reach other people, a war was going on.

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Also I got to thinking, rape is a lot about violence and domination. Well the passage does mention shaving her head and humbling her, so yeah. Going through the ceremony and then consummating the marriage before deciding it's not working out could be part of the humbling experience, so the rape thing still fits.

No it doesn't because rape is more about brutality, sex is secondary.

GC

Women/children would die on their own you say? Well maybe they shouldn't have killed their husbands/brothers, or is god not smart enough to think of that? Also, if this is about providing for the children, why were the little boys not spared? Only the female children were spared, GC. Not the little male children, and not the adult women. This was absolutely not about providing for the defenseless when they had orders to kill most of the defenseless.

As for rape being primarily about brutality, you are absolutely wrong. It's about people taking what they want with no thought for what the victim wants. It doesn't have to be brutal at all, some girls go down without even a fight because they're drugged by someone they trust. Sometimes young people are tricked/manipulated into doing something they didn't really want to do. Rape is much broader than just "brutality". And as I said in my post, which you conveniently ignored, even if they were married as adults, that would only be after years of slavery and conditioning. They would lack the ability and right to say no, and therefore can't give true consent. That means it would still be rape.

[Nihilist Virus]

So a bunch of murdering thugs sweep  into town, kill all of the males and old women, and take the virgins out for a country bar-b-que and square dance and then sweetly ask them to become their wives.  It might happen that way on one planet in the universe.

No, actually such captives were given 30 days to mourn, then could be taken as a wife. If it didn't work out, the woman had to be freed.

Deut 21
10 “When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God delivers them into your hand, and you take them captive, 11 and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and desire her and would take her for your wife, 12 then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails. 13 She shall put off the clothes of her captivity, remain in your house, and mourn her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. 14 And it shall be, if you have no delight in her, then you shall set her free, but you certainly shall not sell her for money; you shall not treat her brutally, because you have humbled her.

So when you say "doesn't work out" you mean "doesn't work out for the guy." NOTHING in there gives the woman a choice in the marriage - both in its inception and its continuance. But thanks for playing.

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BTW did God's retard just change his name or did he get banned?

[Chad32]

I believe he left at one point, and then came back using a similar but different name. I don't know if he was banned.

[LadyForCamus]

 Where does it say that they married them while they were children, you are good at putting everyone in the same category. I also explained that the women/children would die on there own, they had no way to make a living and people couldn't afford to take them in even if they could reach other people, a war was going on.

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No it doesn't because rape is more about brutality, sex is secondary.

GC

Women/children would die on their own you say? Well maybe they shouldn't have killed their husbands/brothers, or is god not smart enough to think of that? Also, if this is about providing for the children, why were the little boys not spared? Only the female children were spared, GC. Not the little male children, and not the adult women. This was absolutely not about providing for the defenseless when they had orders to kill most of the defenseless.

As for rape being primarily about brutality, you are absolutely wrong. It's about people taking what they want with no thought for what the victim wants. It doesn't have to be brutal at all, some girls go down without even a fight because they're drugged by someone they trust. Sometimes young people are tricked/manipulated into doing something they didn't really want to do. Rape is much broader than just "brutality".  And as I said in my post, which you conveniently ignored, even if they were married as adults, that would only be after years of slavery and conditioning. They would lack the ability and right to say no, and therefore can't give true consent. That means it would still be rape.

Sad when you have to explain what rape is to a grown adult, isn't it?

[Inkfeather132]

Women/children would die on their own you say? Well maybe they shouldn't have killed their husbands/brothers, or is god not smart enough to think of that? Also, if this is about providing for the children, why were the little boys not spared? Only the female children were spared, GC. Not the little male children, and not the adult women. This was absolutely not about providing for the defenseless when they had orders to kill most of the defenseless.

As for rape being primarily about brutality, you are absolutely wrong. It's about people taking what they want with no thought for what the victim wants. It doesn't have to be brutal at all, some girls go down without even a fight because they're drugged by someone they trust. Sometimes young people are tricked/manipulated into doing something they didn't really want to do. Rape is much broader than just "brutality".  And as I said in my post, which you conveniently ignored, even if they were married as adults, that would only be after years of slavery and conditioning. They would lack the ability and right to say no, and therefore can't give true consent. That means it would still be rape.

Sad when you have to explain what rape is to a grown adult, isn't it?

I'm actually still not convinced GC isn't twelve years old to be honest It's less sad that I have to explain what rape is, and more that he knows exactly what it is but is trying to actually justify it

[Chad32]

He's an apologist. basically if it doesn't explicitly describe the worst case scenario, then he can imagine it in a flattering light. And these stories are meant to show things in as good a light as possible. It's all about interpretation.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Yet, you seemingly disagree with them being punished for that.

Your own god clearly had no problem with such behavior. Why are you directing your questions at a non-believer, rather than your go whom you allege made the rules?