Am I nuts? I like Jesus..:)

[drfuzzy]

That ain't what your fucking godboy said....allegedly.

JC TRASHED the harshness of the Old T by superimposing an enlightened approach on it,  and people quicky cottoned on..-

"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Peter 1:18 )

"In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent." (Acts 17:30)

"Jesus is worthy of more honour than Moses" (Heb 3:3)

"The covenant of which Jesus is mediator is superior to the old one" (Heb 8:6)

"Through Jesus we are saved,and not through Moses" (Acts 13:39)

So let's see, Jesus is supposed to be Yahweh, because he's a part of the Trinity, and Yahweh is supposed to be unchanging and unchangeable.  If you deny the relevance of the OT, you are actually saying that Yahweh is not your god.  If you are saying that Yahweh IS the same god, then you imply that Yahweh had a plan, and knew he was going to screw up and change his mind many, many times, and wipe out humanity because he screwed up, then rewrite the whole mess by requiring himself to sacrifice himself to himself to cover up his monumental screwups.  If Yahweh had a plan, then he should have perfected it instead of screwing up so much that he'd have to try to cover up his mess with . . . his own blood, because he loves blood and needs to take lives, just like the old bronze age war demon that he actually is.  What you're saying is that Jesus was sent to re-write the whole message . . . the war demon needed a spin master.  He was too nasty.

And now we also know that there was no "first human couple", no Adam, no Eve.  No Garden of Eden, and no apple.  No original sin.  So, no need for a blood sacrifice.  I guess your old bronze age war demon wanted one anyway, huh?

[Dropship]

drfuzzy quote- If your imaginary friend exists and isn't utterly and completely impotent and incompetent, then have it show up and say "hi".  A creature that supposedly created billions of galaxies should be able to do that
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God is not a "person", rather he's a Star Wars-type "Force" that fills the uiniverse-
"Am I only a nearby God? Can you hide? I fill heaven and earth" (Jeremiah 23:23/4)

So he needed human prophets and Jesus to speak through, to help us tap into that force-
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

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the only women i seemed to meet were a motley assortment of nuts and sluts, slags and bags,

Sounds as if they are not the problem.

Well there was a Barbara who used to turn up on dates in horrible old-fashioned clothes and hideous flat shoes, so I bought her a pair of sexy high heels but she refused pointblank to wear them, so I ditched her!
Pity, I was planning to buy her a Wonder Woman outfit next (sniffle)..

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So let's see, Jesus is supposed to be Yahweh, because he's a part of the Trinity, and Yahweh is supposed to be unchanging and unchangeable.  If you deny the relevance of the OT, you are actually saying that Yahweh is not your god.  If you are saying that Yahweh IS the same god, then you imply that Yahweh had a plan, and knew he was going to screw up and change his mind many, many times, and wipe out humanity because he screwed up, then rewrite the whole mess by requiring himself to sacrifice himself to himself to cover up his monumental screwups.  If Yahweh had a plan, then he should have perfected it instead of screwing up so much that he'd have to try to cover up his mess with . . . his own blood, because he loves blood and needs to take lives, just like the old bronze age war demon that he actually is.  What you're saying is that Jesus was sent to re-write the whole message . . . the war demon needed a spin master.  He was too nasty.
And now we also know that there was no "first human couple", no Adam, no Eve.  No Garden of Eden, and no apple.  No original sin.  So, no need for a blood sacrifice.  I guess your old bronze age war demon wanted one anyway, huh?

Sorry mate but that's quite a blunderbuss of assorted points you've fired at me and I just don't have time to answer the whole caboodle all at once in depth.
My own debating style is to deal with just one point at a time with carefully- aimed sniper fire before moving onto the next..
As a great prophet once said-
"This is this"



For example you said "Jesus is supposed to be Yahweh"; I dunno where you heard that, as Jesus said plenty of times that he wasn't  God, e.g-
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )

As for God's plan, he gave humans FREE WILL to do as they please, so he can see how they shape up, and do a bit of tweaking and pruning when necessary.
Jesus said "My Father is always working" (John 5:17)

Maybe atheists think there's no place for them in his plan, but that's not necessarily true..-

THE ATHEIST CONSERVATIONIST

[KevinM1]

Lots of assumptions here, like:

Jesus actually being buried in a tomb
The story of the empty tomb being true
That the Romans would've cared enough to check it out

More and more assertions, but no proof. And a lack of evidence isn't evidence of the miraculous.

[vorlon13]

Lots of assumptions here, like:

Jesus actually being buried in a tomb twice
The story of the empty tomb being true
That the Romans would've cared enough to check it out

More and more assertions, but no proof.  And a lack of evidence isn't evidence of the miraculous.

TFTFY

[Astonished]

Lots of assumptions here, like:

Jesus actually being buried in a tomb
The story of the empty tomb being true
That the Romans would've cared enough to check it out

More and more assertions, but no proof.  And a lack of evidence isn't evidence of the miraculous.

And breathtaking ignorance of his own scriptures. And disrespectfully ignoring what we've already corrected him on. I'm done. This is beyond the point of being pathetic.

[Epiphany]

Epiphany quote- Wait until you get a load of the Buddha then.
Buddha was a great truthseeker but the bottom line is he was just a human giving us his own guesses and hunches,whereas Jesus had a direct line to God, there's the difference..

Rarely has such an obvious point flown over someone's thick skull so painfully: Jesus was just a human too, if he ever existed (which is debatable... certainly, the Jesus of the Bible never existed because much of his story is ripped off from pagan myths). Maybe Jesus' direct line to some god should have told him when he was making stupid mistakes, like claiming mustard seeds are the smallest or losing his temper and killing fig trees for not being in season. You also missed what I was suggesting there: Bible-Jesus ripped off the great thinkers, there's little originality to him outside the parables.

[Brian37]

Lots of assumptions here, like:

Jesus actually being buried in a tomb
The story of the empty tomb being true
That the Romans would've cared enough to check it out

More and more assertions, but no proof.  And a lack of evidence isn't evidence of the miraculous.

It is a bullshit story, and was manufactured AFTER the fact by the NT writers.

If I wrote a book today and claimed in it, "Donald Trump gave me 1 Billion dollars, and 500 people witnessed him write the check and hand it to me, that means I can fart a full sized Lamborghini out of my ass". 

Numbers in polytheism, and monotheism in all of the ancient world were a way of over conflating a legend to draw the reader in. 

But it still remains that there is no such thing as magic babies born without a second set of DNA and human beings do not have all the blood drained out of their body, suffer complete organ and brain death, only to magically survive rigor mortis.

No human has ever survived death as the myth would imply. If you were to kill someone like that in reality and not do anything to aid them medically, they DIE AND STAY DEAD. 

If surviving death like that were possible, you could decapitate your own head and magically regrow it.

[LastPoet]

Lots of assumptions here, like:

Jesus actually being buried in a tomb
The story of the empty tomb being true
That the Romans would've cared enough to check it out

More and more assertions, but no proof.  And a lack of evidence isn't evidence of the miraculous.

It is a bullshit story, and was manufactured AFTER the fact by the NT writers.

If I wrote a book today and claimed in it, "Donald Trump gave me 1 Billion dollars, and 500 people witnessed him write the check and hand it to me, that means I can fart a full sized Lamborghini out of my ass". 

Numbers in polytheism, and monotheism in all of the ancient world were a way of over conflating a legend to draw the reader in. 

But it still remains that there is no such thing as magic babies born without a second set of DNA and human beings do not have all the blood drained out of their body, suffer complete organ and brain death, only to magically survive rigor mortis.

No human has ever survived death as the myth would imply. If you were to kill someone like that in reality and not do anything to aid them medically, they DIE AND STAY DEAD. 

If surviving death like that were possible, you could decapitate your own head and magically regrow it.

Hehe. I don't want too soon, but I want to die someday. Its because I am lazy and a man has to rest at a point.

[vorlon13]

Poor Jesus!!

Caught red handed contradicting God (that's not a good thing, for our visitors here from Rio Linda) which has some staggering implications don't it ?

[Epiphany]

But it still remains that there is no such thing as magic babies born without a second set of DNA...

A fatherless child is possible, but there's a big problem with the New Testament's rendition: such a child is always female.