The Human race: A sci-fi story

[ph445]

Lol. Please post the math, I'm very curious.

this isn't something that can be explained on one page.
also, what level of physics/math do you understand? because otherwise it will be greek.

[Alex K]

Lol. Please post the math, I'm very curious.

this isn't something that can be explained on one page.

That's ok...

also, what level of physics/math do you understand? because otherwise it will be greek.

Any level you like

[ignoramus]

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm actually impressed. I sometimes see people claiming to know what's going on in the rest of the galaxy, but a claim about the rest of the Universe trumps that.

[ignoramus]

Yep, we're all God's special little flowers. Full of junk dna, ERV's, useless organs, etc.
God is such a shit designer! What happened to him making us in his image?

He must have evolved himself?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Yep, we're all God's special little flowers. Full of junk dna, ERV's, useless organs, etc.
God is such a shit designer! What happened to him making us in his image?

He must have evolved himself?

And who evolved him? Czechmate, atheists!

[ph445]

this isn't something that can be explained on one page.

That's ok...

also, what level of physics/math do you understand? because otherwise it will be greek.

Any level you like

can you insert screenshots on this forum? I tried but it did not work.

[Alex K]

That's ok...

Any level you like

can you insert screenshots on this forum? I tried but it did not work.

You best host your image somewhere e.g. imgur or so, and then post the link

[Mister Agenda]

I am wary of claims that make space travel appear routine.

What I kind of find bizarre is that it is usually said that distances between stars are to wide for anyone to travel to the point that between species contact is impossible and yet some and same prominent figures from science are kind of constantly warning us that we should not send signals into space because we don't know who they are and might kill us all for resources like once Christians did to Mesoamericans.
So in one sentence they are telling us it's impossible for anyone to travel between stars and for them to come there, while in other sentence they might come if we signal them.

Like youtube channel Greg and Mitch recently reminded us of the alien scare (in video) of how Stephen Hawking said we should not send signals and Elon Musk said it should be a decision for all humanity.

I've always been curious about just what resources we have that would be worth killing us for that can't be more easily obtained from comets and asteroids.

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"My point is that we are the first civilization in this universe, an outlier. " 200 trillion galaxies in the known universe and you make that claim?

He wasn't actually making the claim, it's a sci-fi story. It's a possibility though, particularly in our particular galaxy, which might as well be the universe for all practical intents and purposes unless we can throw the speed of light completely out the window.

Edit: My bad, he is making the claim. He seems to have switched gears from saying 'it's just sci-fi' to 'you fools don't understand my vision!'.

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We are alone, the universe is a sterile void besides us.

I think if we can ever see far enough, we'll find that simple life is fairly common. It's civilizations that I think are vanishingly rare.

At one point in our prehistory, a microorganism was engulfed by another microorganism and became a metabolic accelerator for its host, mitochondria. It would unlikely that we would have the robust diversity of multicellular life, particularly land life, that we have if that hadn't happened. And there's no reason why it couldn't have happened millions of years later, it seems to have been fairly random and only happened once.

The evolution of land life was greatly accelerated by the tidal action of our large moon...without that, it would likely have been delayed by millions of years. 'Double planets' like ours are much rarer than ones that are merely earth-sized and in the 'goldilocks zone'. And there's no particular evolutionary pressure to lead to a species that's good at technology and forming large civilizations.

So I think there's a fair chance that we're the elder race of our galaxy, if not our universe. While life might not be that rare, I think there's a good chance we won't find another high tech civilization, and if we do, that we'll be way ahead of them regarding technology and space-faring.

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This is given our perfect environment for life on earth. Move one adenine out of place in a DNA sequence and an entire species fails to emerge. Yet, there are approximately 9 million successful species on this planet. This isn’t because the misplacement of the adenine caused another species (Darwinism), the misplacement of the adenine prevented 9 million and 1 species. DNA is extremely sensitive to how it is compiled. 

Look at my other posts, the likelihood of this occuring randomly is more to the order of 10^40000


there are about two thousand enzymes, and the chance of obtaining them all in a random trial is only one part in (10^20)^2000 = 10^40,000, an outrageously small probability that could not be faced even if the whole universe consisted of organic soup. We are an anomaly.

You were off to such a promising start, why did you go and have to ruin it?

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You forget evolution by natural selection which completely changes the situation.

natural section is a theory of how differences and genetic variation arise differences between species. It does not address the origin of life however. Evolution is essentially saying give me that first self replicating organism and I will explain the rest. 

All I am saying is as of now we do not know the cause of this DNA first molecule. We can however extrapolate the probability of such an anomaly forming.

Depends on the number of opportunities there are for it to form, doesn't it? Throwing 10 dice and getting all sixes is about one in sixty million. Roll those dice sixty million times and the odds of it happening at least once become quite likely. How many chances under conducive conditions of organic chemistry were there during the late Hadean Eon for the first self-replicating molecule to form?

As I said, the argument against other technological civilizations is much stronger than the argument for ubiquitous sterility. Maybe life itself is vanishingly rare, but I have little confidence that such is the case. It's life that can talk to us that I think we're unlikely to find.

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Saying it is largely sterile isn't non sequitur. I can't say it is completely sterile as there is life on this planet. But the probability of there being another intelligent civilizations within this universe is infinitesimal.

Claiming that life itself is vanishingly rare and that intelligent civilizations are vanishingly rare are two separate claims, that's why it's a non sequitur.

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The Alcubierre Drive idea is interesting, but it requires exotic matter with a negative energy density that doesn't yet exist and which may be impossible to create, at least to a degree to move a starship. I'm hopeful, but not optimistic.

FTL drive isn't the necessity it's sometimes portrayed as, however. 10% of light speed would be sufficient for us to spread across the galaxy, in generational increments, within a few million years, less time than we've been hominids. Or our robotic representatives. That is, we reach a nearby star system, then develop it to a point where some people or robots can make it to another nearby star system, and so on. If we survive long enough to start the process, there will be civilizations all over the galaxy in the distant future, even if FTL travel or traversable wormholes never become a reality.

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Lol. Please post the math, I'm very curious.

this isn't something that can be explained on one page.
also, what level of physics/math do you understand? because otherwise it will be greek.

Alex is a physicist, so he'll probably be able to follow you .

[Cyberman]

this isn't something that can be explained on one page.

That's ok...

also, what level of physics/math do you understand? because otherwise it will be greek.

Any level you like

This ought to be good.