Supposed Int design proof

[Hammok Man]

I may be mistaken but I do not think that evidence that the earth or solar system is located in the geographic center of the universe grossly contradicts accepted theory.  

If so I would be interested in what is contradicted.

We expected to find the earth in some random part of the usiverse, placing it in the center is real weird but not game changing in my view.

I am not sure this can be hand waved as kookery.  

Currently this appers to be proof of something other than pure randomness.


I went back and reviewed a few of the articles on the subject.  One theory is that the universe wraps back to itself.  So when something travels beyond the expanding boundaries of the universe to returns to the opposite side.

So in this way any point could be the center of the universe.

This is interesting to me.

[Astonished]

But if there's no way to even be remotely certain, why even discuss it? It's a pointless proposition. Doesn't really have any bearing on anything important anyway other than a desperate bid for evidence on the part of creationists. You'd think faith would be enough for them, right? Shame on them for demanding evidence from their lord!

[Alex K]

Wait, isn't the "axis of evil" merely about alignment in a particular direction? I don't think it says anything about our position in the universe.

[Jesster]

Wait, isn't the "axis of evil" merely about alignment in a particular direction? I don't think it says anything about our position in the universe.

So a deliberate misinterpretation, then.

[Astonished]

Well to be fair holy books are so muddled it's genuinely hard to tell if someone's deliberately misinterpreting or is just genuinely confused because of all the mixed messages.

[Alex K]

Wait, isn't the "axis of evil" merely about alignment in a particular direction? I don't think it says anything about our position in the universe.

So a deliberate misinterpretation, then.

Well, ..., on wikipedia, there's this puzzling quote by L. Krauss,

There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun — the plane of the earth around the sun — the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe

I don't know where he gets that from (why would our solar system pointing in the direction of something mean that we are at the center of something we don't even know of whether it is finite?) but my suspicion is that he uses the phrase not literally to refer to a position in space but as a metaphor for "special". One should ask him what he meant. Maybe I'll write him.

[Astreja]

In an expanding universe, wouldn't any random point appear to be the center because everything else is moving away from it?

[Alex K]

In an expanding universe, wouldn't any random point appear to be the center because everything else is moving away from it?

Yes. But given that, you can look at the distribution of stuff around us and the radiation reaching us to conclude whether we are in any special place. How you would conclude from the CMB to be at the center of anything though... Maybe Krauss responds, he is usually not keen on feeding Creationists with talking points. But he likes to make a bit theatrical statements to get your attention.

[The Grand Nudger]

I drilled down the source, he's not discussing any geometric center of the universe, the full quote

That is, we live in one universe, so we're a sample of one. With a sample of one, you have what is called a large sample variance. And maybe this just means we're lucky, that we just happen to live in a universe where the number's smaller than you'd predict. But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun — the plane of the earth around the sun — the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe.

The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is imply incorrect, or maybe it's telling us there's something weird about the microwave background results and that maybe, maybe there's something wrong with our theories on the larger scales. And of course as a theorist I'm certainly hoping it's the latter, because I want theory to be wrong, not right, because if it's wrong there's still work left for the rest of us.

https://www.edge.org/conversation/the-en...n-39t-zero

@OP, your friend is unlikely to have gotten that from any paper, but, rather, a movie called The Principle.  Which is a Godidit™ conspiracy trash film.

Krauss, on the movie- on twitter.

For all who asked: Some clips of me apparently were mined for movie on geocentricism. So stupid does disservice to word nonsense. Ignore it.

He elaborates in Slate

The notion that anyone in the 21st century could take seriously the notion that the sun orbits the Earth, or that the Earth is the center of the universe, is almost unbelievable. I say almost, because one of the trials and tribulations of being a scientist with some element of popular celebrity is that I get bombarded regularly by all sorts of claims, and have become painfully aware that ideas as old as the notion that the Earth is flat never seem to die out completely.

Kate Mulgrew (of Captain Janeway fame) on the same movie, in which she also stars.

I understand there has been some controversy about my participation in a documentary called THE PRINCIPLE. Let me assure everyone that I completely agree with the eminent physicist Lawrence Krauss, who was himself misrepresented in the film, and who has written a succinct rebuttal in SLATE. I am not a geocentrist, nor am I in any way a proponent of geocentrism. More importantly, I do not subscribe to anything Robert Sungenis has written regarding science and history and, had I known of his involvement, would most certainly have avoided this documentary. I was a voice for hire, and a misinformed one, at that. I apologize for any confusion that my voice on this trailer may have caused. Kate Mulgrew

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Principle

[Alex K]

Oh jeez, that movie...