Forgeries in the NT

[Astonished]

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Your fucking gospels are letting you down again, G-C.

You see, "john" states:



whereas, Luke says:





See this is easy for me.   You of course now have to make excuses for the contradiction between your silly "scriptures."  Perhaps these illiterate fisherman were in the Upper Middle Class and had houses all over Galilee?  When it comes to apologetic bullshit nothing surprises me!

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I like those contradiction websites.  I like them, because most of try way too hard to make contradictions where there are not any (they seem to want to make a large impressive number, rather than a strong case).  

You see, I grew up in city X,  actually my home for 17 years was in the countryside, technically in a small township, but I refer to home, the place where I grew up as the nearest city anyone not familiar with the area might recognize.  I then moved to city Y, where I went to college.  This was home for a while.  After that I was recruited by a company, and they moved me to another state, another city Z where this was home for a few years.  Then wanting to move back closer to family I moved back, this time to a larger city about an hour's drive from where I grew up. I rented a duplex by myself, for a short time, my brother lived with me in this duplex, and a while later, I moved to a suburb of this city, and rented a house with some friends.  From there I was hired where I am now.  For a couple of months, I stayed at my parents home (although someone who mostly knew me, may have said they where going to my house when visiting; also note, that they had moved, and this is not the home where I grew up).  I rented a house for a few years, and this was home for that time. Finally I bought the house, that I am living in now.  I now have two places I refer to as home, near city X where I grew up (I may refer to the actual house, the nearby city, or the region and the larger city; which I had also lived in); and the house I eventually bought.  

So this is easy for me  I am by no means rich, yet I have had multiple homes throughout my life.  And someone would not be incorrect to refer to the place I was staying at any given time as my house, if they where coming to visit (even if it where technically someone else's house).  So I like those Bible contradiction websites; because they often rather than trying to make a strong case, try to make a large number of cases.  For a thinking person it is easy to see, how they are not contradictory or all that difficult at all.

Yeah, see how a person has to subjectively interpret something because it's so fucking vague? Nobody could possibly come up with a subjective interpretation that's the polar opposite of yours, no sir. Go fuck yourself, jackass. You've already proven you don't understand how any of this works, repeatedly.

[Succubus]

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Your fucking gospels are letting you down again, G-C.

You see, "john" states:



whereas, Luke says:





See this is easy for me.   You of course now have to make excuses for the contradiction between your silly "scriptures."  Perhaps these illiterate fisherman were in the Upper Middle Class and had houses all over Galilee?  When it comes to apologetic bullshit nothing surprises me!

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I like those contradiction websites.  I like them, because most of try way too hard to make contradictions where there are not any (they seem to want to make a large impressive number, rather than a strong case).  

Who exactly turned up at the grave to discover Jebus had legged it?

According to John: Mary Magdalene. One.

According to Matthew: Mary Magdalene and the 'other Mary' whoever she was. Two.

According to Mark: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James 'Jebus brother' and Salome. Three.

According to Luke: Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary mother of James, and other women that were with them. At least five.

And this is not from a contradiction website, it's from your goat roasters chronicles.

[RoadRunner79]

I like those contradiction websites.  I like them, because most of try way too hard to make contradictions where there are not any (they seem to want to make a large impressive number, rather than a strong case).  

Who exactly turned up at the grave to discover Jebus had legged it?

According to John: Mary Magdalene. One.

According to Matthew: Mary Magdalene and the 'other Mary' whoever she was. Two.

According to Mark: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James 'Jebus brother' and Salome. Three.

According to Luke: Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary mother of James, and other women that were with them. At least five.

And this is not from a contradiction website

Where do you see a contradiction or a problem there?

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I like those contradiction websites.  I like them, because most of try way too hard to make contradictions where there are not any (they seem to want to make a large impressive number, rather than a strong case).  

You see, I grew up in city X,  actually my home for 17 years was in the countryside, technically in a small township, but I refer to home, the place where I grew up as the nearest city anyone not familiar with the area might recognize.  I then moved to city Y, where I went to college.  This was home for a while.  After that I was recruited by a company, and they moved me to another state, another city Z where this was home for a few years.  Then wanting to move back closer to family I moved back, this time to a larger city about an hour's drive from where I grew up. I rented a duplex by myself, for a short time, my brother lived with me in this duplex, and a while later, I moved to a suburb of this city, and rented a house with some friends.  From there I was hired where I am now.  For a couple of months, I stayed at my parents home (although someone who mostly knew me, may have said they where going to my house when visiting; also note, that they had moved, and this is not the home where I grew up).  I rented a house for a few years, and this was home for that time. Finally I bought the house, that I am living in now.  I now have two places I refer to as home, near city X where I grew up (I may refer to the actual house, the nearby city, or the region and the larger city; which I had also lived in); and the house I eventually bought.  

So this is easy for me  I am by no means rich, yet I have had multiple homes throughout my life.  And someone would not be incorrect to refer to the place I was staying at any given time as my house, if they where coming to visit (even if it where technically someone else's house).  So I like those Bible contradiction websites; because they often rather than trying to make a strong case, try to make a large number of cases.  For a thinking person it is easy to see, how they are not contradictory or all that difficult at all.

Yeah, see how a person has to subjectively interpret something because it's so fucking vague? Nobody could possibly come up with a subjective interpretation that's the polar opposite of yours, no sir. Go fuck yourself, jackass. You've already proven you don't understand how any of this works, repeatedly.

We subjectively interpret everything!  Have you ever heard of the Principle of Charity?   Now apart from the insults and the lack of addressing much of anything I said.  Should I interpret your post, to mean, that you are just another angry atheist, who will interpret anything in any way which will allow you to attack Christianity, no matter how bad of an argument?

[The Grand Nudger]

You say that as if that's a change from how you normally interpret anything an atheist says about your silly bedtime stories. That's just your default state, RR, so why ask as though there were an alternative?

[Minimalist]

According to John: Mary Magdalene. One.

According to Matthew: Mary Magdalene and the 'other Mary' whoever she was. Two.

According to Mark: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James 'Jebus brother' and Salome. Three.

According to Luke: Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary mother of James, and other women that were with them. At least five.

So counting is a challenge for you, eh RR.  Not surprising.

[RoadRunner79]

You say that as if that's a change from how you normally interpret anything an atheist says about your silly bedtime stories. That's just your default state, RR, so why ask as though there were an alternative?

No.... not really my default state. However with some, my suspicions are higher than others. I normally try to look at the facts and reasons behind what is being said, not assume motives or attack the origins of the claim. It's about what they have to say, not who is saying it. And if I am misunderstanding something or do fall into rhetoric, in which I am interpreting something in a less than charitable way....just correct me; and we'll move on.

[The Grand Nudger]

Riiiiight.   I can't really find a gentler way to say this, but, you simply aren't who you imagine yourself to be.  The things you think that you do or will do just don;t materialize in reality, at least not on these boards.  

Maybe you're different irl.  / shrugs

Don't get me wrong, that's not uncommon - it;s just that some of us, at least some of the time, realize that theres a disparaity between how we see ourselves and how the best version of ourself might respond to some x and whop we actually are, how we do respond. You seem to consider the former the rule and the latter a hypothetical exception.................

If the best version of your own self image responds to what people say, rather than retreating into tired stereotypes - if the best version of your own self image corrects itself when someone points out a mistake - then perhaps you should put more effort into manifesting that person, whomever they are, in your interactions.

[RoadRunner79]

According to John: Mary Magdalene. One.

According to Matthew: Mary Magdalene and the 'other Mary' whoever she was. Two.

According to Mark: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James 'Jebus brother' and Salome. Three.

According to Luke: Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary mother of James, and other women that were with them. At least five.

So counting is a challenge for you, eh RR.  Not surprising.

No... generally I don't have an issue counting, especially when it is within the range of fingers and toes for reference.

However, I think that the only issue here, lies with the assumptions. 

Say you ask me, what I did the other night.  I tell you , that me and my girlfriend went out to eat, and to the movies.   Later you ask the girlfriend, and she tells you that we went to the movies, with Bob and Suzy (does not mention going out to eat).  And you find out on facebook, that Bob reports that we went to the movies with us, and also includes some others, who we met there by chance.

There is not a contradiction or a problem in these various accounts.  Some may have more information, or some didn't include things others did.  Different people may give different accounts, with a different focus (at times choosing to give or withhold information for whatever reason, or without any reason at all)  There is no need to make this into a contradiction or a problem; and unless it was specified, it's not justified to insert into any silence, that which makes it contradictory or an issue. 

In normal rational, there is no need, to imply an issue with the statements together even though they may differ in the information given.  Again, we seem to run into the issue, from the argument from silence, and making assumptions about what is not said.

[Dropship]

..much of the holy horseshit is simply bullshit written by insignificant churchie assholes..
From Bart Ehrman's Forged:  Writing in the Name of God.

But mate, according to Wiki, Ehrman is an "agnostic atheist", so of course  he'd badmouth Christianity, it's what they do..

[Amarok]

I like those contradiction websites.  I like them, because most of try way too hard to make contradictions where there are not any

What I love more is the mental acrobatics apologists preform to make them not seem like contradictions . They seem to rely on a lazy hand waving rather then having a good case .