Forgeries in the NT

[Succubus]

How the goddamn fucking fuck is an argument from silence unwarranted or unusual? The fuck is wrong with you? Seriously!

Indeed an argument from silence can be totally valid as Peter Kirby points out

https://infidels.org/library/modern/pete...lence.html

Or

http://vridar.org/2010/11/03/the-argument-from-silence/

Or

http://vridar.org/2010/08/14/do-mythicis...sumptions/

Or

http://vridar.org/2012/05/11/10-earl-doh...f-silence/


Apologists and Anti Mythicists love dragging this tired chestnut out . However most of the time in error and it has not been used incorrectly .

I like the analogy>

Doherty uses an analogy to demonstrate when an argument from silence is clearly valid. If the family of a deceased man claimed he won the lottery, yet there was no record of that win, no large entry in his bank statements, no mention of it in his diary or any of his correspondence, no memory of a spending spree, and if on his deathbed he told his family that he never had a break in his life, then the argument from silence is compelling. We can be confident that the claim of his lottery win is mistaken.

[Astonished]

As far as I'm concerned, the objection raised by the argument from silence is unanswerable (pun intended). There is literally zero excuse for a god who gives a fuck about humanity to not come down here and clear up all the bullshit that has caused so many schisms in established religions all over the world and throughout history. The people are largely willing to obey, they just have an absolute shit instruction book. No divine author would make something less than concretely clear and if it happened to be misinterpreted by anyone, it would be trivially easy to personally and unmistakably rectify that miscommunication. Un. Fucking. Answerable. There is zero excuse for this failing. Either a deist or malevolent trickster god who doesn't give a shit about us or enjoys watching us suffer, or there is no god at all. There is no room for a benevolent god in this equation.

[Minimalist]

The Bible is a book of wisdom

Actually it is a book of primitive bullshit written by ignorant fucks who were trying to make sense out of the world they lived in.

Anything else is merely putting your own desperate need to believe in fairy tales onto it.  Time to grow up and join the 21st century.

[Fr33Th1nker]

The Bible is a book of wisdom, not a book of facts. <Guff snip>

2 Kings18:27 But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

Doesn’t sound very wise to me.

Honestly, I am a bit disappointed with your comment. I never expected something like this coming from an atheist. Your reply is in league with a bible fundamentalist. You are no different than the Bible thumping, self righteous Christians who you abhor so much.  Read the entire chapter and use your analytical and critical thinking. Then tell me what it really means. 

Seriously, you encounter someone who claims that he believes in God and all reason, logic and decorum flies out of the window. You definitely are a good example of a crtitical, free thinking and open minded atheist. I submit to your superiority and intellect.

[Succubus]

HA HA! You hover over the little bastards.

Doesn’t sound very wise to me.

Honestly, I am a bit disappointed with your comment. I never expected something like this coming from an atheist. Your reply is in league with a bible fundamentalist. You are no different than the Bible thumping, self righteous Christians who you abhor so much.  Read the entire chapter and use your analytical and critical thinking. Then tell me what it really means. 

Seriously, you encounter someone who claims that he believes in God and all reason, logic and decorum flies out of the window. You definitely are a good example of a crtitical, free thinking and open minded atheist. I submit to your superiority and intellect.

Wot. This shite?

Then said Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and Shebna, and Joah, unto Rabshakeh, Speak, I spray thee, to thy servants in the Syrian language; for we understand it: and talk not with us in the Jews' language in the ears of the people that are on the wall.

[Fr33Th1nker]

HA HA! You hover over the little bastards.

Honestly, I am a bit disappointed with your comment. I never expected something like this coming from an atheist. Your reply is in league with a bible fundamentalist. You are no different than the Bible thumping, self righteous Christians who you abhor so much.  Read the entire chapter and use your analytical and critical thinking. Then tell me what it really means. 

Seriously, you encounter someone who claims that he believes in God and all reason, logic and decorum flies out of the window. You definitely are a good example of a crtitical, free thinking and open minded atheist. I submit to your superiority and intellect.

Wot. This shite?

Then said Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and Shebna, and Joah, unto Rabshakeh, Speak, I spray thee, to thy servants in the Syrian language; for we understand it: and talk not with us in the Jews' language in the ears of the people that are on the wall.

Nothing much. Just a friendly exchange of views. =)

[Whateverist]

The Bible is a book of wisdom, not a book of facts. The Bible is a book of compiled books arranged by men who were are at one point or another depending on the period of history, either holy, sinners, frauds, fair, smart, dumb, adulterer, etc. Thus, the Bible is corrupted and written and compiled according to the whim and advantage of ruling religious clan, family, group or sect.

There is no point arguing this with most, if not all theist as they are blinded by their ignorance, arrogance and pride. They will always say "Divinely Inspired", "God moves in mysterious ways", and "God has a plan" instead of saying the right thing to say like "I am sorry, you are right" or "I am sorry, I do not know the answer". If I erase the Bible or any "Holy" book from man's memory and history, they will not have the belief that God exists. This is my own opinion being a believer because I have seen it and experienced it.

If you identify as a Christian (still waiting for that intro thread  ), I wonder how you interpret the Jesus-quote that goes something like "I am the way".  Most churchy folks seem to think he literally is a bridge for everyone else to cross over into God's favor without a lot of bother or pain.  But I think a free thinker could read that as meaning he should be followed for his example of personal transcendence, implying a lot more self reliance than most folks who call themselves Christians want to hear about.  

I think there is also a Jesus-quote that goes something like "I and the father are one".  (I am admittedly very unacquainted with the bible except for a for a few stray bits I hear others mention.)  Your garden variety Christian probably hears that and thinks, God and Jesus are entirely different than they themselves are and use it to justify debasing themselves and humankind generally.  But I think a free thinking bible-raised person might hear it differently.  It could just mean "I'm channeling God" with the take away being ".. and so can you".  Of course 'God' as a literal creator of everything who runs the world's best after-life amusement park, makes no sense at all.  But 'God' as a dimensions of human experience not residing under our direct control, that interpretation might hunt.

[Astonished]

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FT...You didn't even make it two threads without revealing you're totally full of shit. See what I was talking about? You cannot possibly be honest and hold the position you do. When confronted with, admittedly the most embarrassing sort of proof that your claim about the bible is completely wrong, you erect a straw man rather than acknowledge the validity of the opposition's argument. That doesn't jive with the claim that you're trying to evaluate whether you have good reasons for believing what you do. I'm sorry, but you've fallen into the trap and you've convinced yourself you're above the pale, and you're really, really not. Want to dispute this? I don't think you can. It's utterly hypocritical to criticize other theists for not admitting being wrong or not having an answer and not doing so yourself when it's shoved in your face.

[Fr33Th1nker]

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FT...You didn't even make it two threads without revealing you're totally full of shit. See what I was talking about? You cannot possibly be honest and hold the position you do. When confronted with, admittedly the most embarrassing sort of proof that your claim about the bible is completely wrong, you erect a straw man rather than acknowledge the validity of the opposition's argument. That doesn't jive with the claim that you're trying to evaluate whether you have good reasons for believing what you do. I'm sorry, but you've fallen into the trap and you've convinced yourself you're above the pale, and you're really, really not. Want to dispute this? I don't think you can. It's utterly hypocritical to criticize other theists for not admitting being wrong or not having an answer and not doing so yourself when it's shoved in your face.

Have you read the book of Psalms? Wisdom? Etc?  Do you expect a book of wisdom to have all sentences written in it to be wise?

[Minimalist]

Doesn’t sound very wise to me.

Honestly, I am a bit disappointed with your comment. I never expected something like this coming from an atheist. Your reply is in league with a bible fundamentalist. You are no different than the Bible thumping, self righteous Christians who you abhor so much.  Read the entire chapter and use your analytical and critical thinking. Then tell me what it really means. 

Seriously, you encounter someone who claims that he believes in God and all reason, logic and decorum flies out of the window. You definitely are a good example of a crtitical, free thinking and open minded atheist. I submit to your superiority and intellect.

Why?  You're the one who thinks there is something to that holy horseshit.

2 Kings 18:27King James Version (KJV)
27 But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

Are you ashamed of your own fucking book?