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How did the chemicals for life come together??..
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RE: How did the chemicals for life come together??..
Quote:Not only can abiogenesis happen, and did happen, it may have happen more than once in the history of life on earth. It was once thought that all life on earth descent from a common, bacteria like Prokaryote ancestor. It is now recognized that what was once thought to be the one big related family of bacteria in fact consist of two different families- the archaea, and the prokaryote. Members of these two families look similar under microscope, but uses completely different biochemical processes for the most basic functions in such a way that cast doubt about whether the two families could have descended from one common functioning organism. Thus abiogenesis may have happened on earth at least twice.

I have to say, I find this idea fascinating. I have never believed in the idea that everything comes from a common ancestor. I wouldnt be surprised if there was more than two families.
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#22
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(November 5, 2010 at 1:32 am)solja247 Wrote: I have to say, I find this idea fascinating. I have never believed in the idea that everything comes from a common ancestor. I wouldnt be surprised if there was more than two families.

Yeah... You are willing to dismiss years of study and peer reviewed studies right of, but willing to accept what this guy says, just because it may be coherent with a god existence... You are really not seeking any truth, just excuses that fit your wish that your god exists... Laaaaaame.

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#23
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Regarding the different families of life, its not really surprising. I remember reading years ago about the idea that life originated many times on earth but it was only our form of life that won the game. Wonder what else could have formed if it wasn't our brand of life that had won.

I always thought that theists by this point in time should have stopped trying to battle against the idea of Abiogenesis and instead say "Ah, but way do chemicals behave this way?.... Because that is how God made the universe work". They can probably then live with position for centuries or even millennia or maybe forever(!) before we can answer that one with science.

The most fascinating thing for me about Abiogenesis is that it really does point to a high probability of life forming all over the universe as long as the right combination of chemicals are present in the right environment.... and that is just for our sort of life. Who knows what may form under other conditions? It may be the potential for life exists anywhere where there is a combination of energy and matter to make things "stick together".
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#24
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Quote:Yeah... You are willing to dismiss years of study and peer reviewed studies right of, but willing to accept what this guy says, just because it may be coherent with a god existence... You are really not seeking any truth, just excuses that fit your wish that your god exists... Laaaaaame.

I dont know what started life on this Earth, but I dont think it could start by natural processes.
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.

You dont hate God, you hate the church game.

"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine

Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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#25
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So, its the old argument from ignorance... since you don't know how life started, therefore it must be god -.-;
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#26
RE: How did the chemicals for life come together??..
Quote:So, its the old argument from ignorance... since you don't know how life started, therefore it must be god -.-;

I dont use the God of the gaps theory. All I am saying is, I dont know.
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.

You dont hate God, you hate the church game.

"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine

Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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(November 5, 2010 at 4:55 am)LastPoet Wrote: So, its the old argument from ignorance... since you don't know how life started, therefore it must be god -.-;

Going to back Solja on this one. He said he didn't know, not that it was God (agnostic vs theist opinion). Yes, in an earlier post he said it could have been God (or aliens) but did not say it definitely was.

I thought we accepted agnostic comments on these forums?
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#28
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(November 5, 2010 at 1:54 am)LastPoet Wrote:
(November 5, 2010 at 1:32 am)solja247 Wrote: I have to say, I find this idea fascinating. I have never believed in the idea that everything comes from a common ancestor. I wouldnt be surprised if there was more than two families.

Yeah... You are willing to dismiss years of study and peer reviewed studies right of, but willing to accept what this guy says, just because it may be coherent with a god existence... You are really not seeking any truth, just excuses that fit your wish that your god exists... Laaaaaame.

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Are you reading the same post as I am? He never said such a thing.
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(November 5, 2010 at 6:14 am)solja247 Wrote: All I am saying is, I dont know.
No, you said more than that. You said you didn't think it could come about by natural processes. Why do you believe this, especially in light of the evidence of abiogenesis?
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(November 4, 2010 at 10:39 pm)solja247 Wrote:
Quote:Yes, that's a creationist argument, but I am looking to refute creationist arguments, so there's no reason to cuss at me, and I never mentioned RNA in any of my posts! What's up with that?! I didn't miss Chuck's points, any of them-so chill. I agree with you on Abiogenesis. And I appreciate all the info in this thread on the subject, as it is fascinating.

I did not write that?!?

My apologies, sorry for that post. @Chuck, I'll check out that book; thanks!!Smile

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