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Testimony is Evidence
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 (August 22, 2017 at 5:37 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:(August 22, 2017 at 5:35 pm)Alex K Wrote: Heleeeer Suzie! Man, I can't catch a break. Finally a girl is willing to show me hers, and it's invisible!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
 RE: Testimony is Evidence
August 22, 2017 at 6:50 pm
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(August 22, 2017 at 12:44 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(August 22, 2017 at 8:45 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You still haven't responded to this. There's a point I'm making here. Ah, so testimony is not always good evidence then. Thanks. (August 22, 2017 at 11:22 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(August 22, 2017 at 8:45 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You still haven't responded to this. There's a point I'm making here. ... or when you gave your life defending the ideals of the Third Reich. Martyrdom is no metric of truth. (August 22, 2017 at 3:17 pm)SteveII Wrote: Most of the time you don't get physical evidence--especially for events. So, the best evidence possible is often going to be testimonial evidence. Wait, you mean to say physical events don't usually leave physical evidence? Expand upon that, please. This should be interesting.  RE: Testimony is Evidence
August 22, 2017 at 7:08 pm
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Quote:Ask me again after you've been martyred for seeing an invisible dragon. Ask me again when you can prove anyone was martyred for seeing a man rise from the dead . And when the martyr stories after are not bullshit . http://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9978 https://celsus.blog/2012/12/18/48/ Quote:Most of the time you don't get physical evidence--especially for events. So, the best evidence possible is often going to be testimonial evidence. Nope the only but worst possible evidence will be testimonial evidence . This is a flaw to be overcome not embraced .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Inuit Proverb 
*sighs heavily* Yes, RR, testimony is indeed evidence.
Very weak evidence. Testimony has to be framed in terms of possibility and plausibility. If I say I went out for lunch with my friend John, that's both possible and plausible. If I say that John and I flew to Madrid for lunch, that's possible but implausible. If I say we got picked up by Dr. Who in the TARDIS, went to 11th century Madrid for lunch, and my guardian dragon Glori came along with us, I'd expect you to laugh at me.  (August 22, 2017 at 11:22 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(August 22, 2017 at 8:45 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You still haven't responded to this. There's a point I'm making here. How many people gave witness testimony after being martyred?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
Why are we still talking about this? LoadPlunger is going to great lengths to ignore every point and question put to him. Why humor him if he's not going to humor the rest of us?
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
--- There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views. 
No one here seemed skeptical of the unfortunate loss of Brett Favre's Superbowl ring and it's near miraculous recovery some time later during my Gavilyte cleanout leading up to my colonoscopy, so I'd assert some testimony can be so compelling on it's face as to mute all suspicions to the contrary.
Alas, however, the Christians have never bothered to work their claims at that level. The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
RE: Testimony is Evidence
August 22, 2017 at 8:50 pm
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If you'd shat a Super Bowl ring from the Brett, you would have been all over the Internet about it.
#caseclosed  RE: Testimony is Evidence
August 22, 2017 at 8:53 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2017 at 8:59 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(August 22, 2017 at 8:12 pm)Astreja Wrote: *sighs heavily* Yes, RR, testimony is indeed evidence. This is exactly what I've been trying to say to RR across three threads, and you just said it more plainly and succinctly than my five brain cells working together ever could, lol. THANK YOU. 😁
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Wiser words were never spoken.  (August 22, 2017 at 5:18 pm)paulpablo Wrote: CCTV footage, audio recording, DNA, fingerprints, all examples of evidence that's more reliable than witness testimony. We get that. It's RR, Steve-o and others of their ilk who don't. They want to elevate testimony at least to the level of physical evidence, if not above it. At least Steve-o is transparent in his motives. He wants hearsay to be accepted as testimony and testimony to be accepted as at least as good as physical evidence so his belief in fairy tales can be more easily justified. I suspect the same of RR despite his protestations. He claims to be interested in the atheist perspective because so he claims to have never heard of this viewpoint outside of atheism. Of course this is a lie since it has been pointed out to him that courts are starting to caution jurists on the pitfalls of witness testimony. What I don't understand is why they don't just trot out the old "gawd sed it, I buleeve it, that setles it" argument. Then we can just point, laugh and move the fuck on.
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