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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 14, 2017 at 8:24 am
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What does your faith teach you that you don't agree with. Does god disagree with you about anything at all?
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 14, 2017 at 8:47 am
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(September 13, 2017 at 9:50 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (September 13, 2017 at 7:18 am)Cyberman Wrote: Then your god has poor judgement of representatives. I suppose it's down to not having a great deal of choice. I'd expect it to at least be able to spell, for one thing. Even in essence.
God has sent this unintelligent creature to to you a very intelligent creature, yet at every turn you've been defeated when it comes to the scriptures and their meanings.
GC
(September 13, 2017 at 7:31 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: So much for god being perfect.
God is perfect, He sends the imperfect to teach those who believe they are the superior ones and yet you refuse to learn.
GC
You refuse to teach. You just assert. Unless you mean teaching by example, and that can't be it, because you drive people away from christianity by your dishonesty.
(September 14, 2017 at 7:37 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 13, 2017 at 7:46 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Because you're god. Congratulations on admitting it to yourself.
Theism = self-worship
How does theism = self worship though? I for one certainly don't think I "worship" myself. I mean, obviously I can be selfish and self serving at times because I'm not perfect, but my faith doesn't teach me to be that way, it teaches me not to be that way.
In GC's case, claiming to be sent by god to heckle atheists.
But I do believe Theism = egocentrism
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 14, 2017 at 8:58 am
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GC is correct that we believe we are supposed to "spread the gospel" (though we may not agree on the best way of going about it). We also believe we are supposed to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, visit the sick, love our enemies, and treat others as we want to be treated.
http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachin...-mercy.cfm
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 14, 2017 at 12:08 pm
(September 14, 2017 at 7:37 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 13, 2017 at 7:46 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Because you're god. Congratulations on admitting it to yourself.
Theism = self-worship
How does theism = self worship though? I for one certainly don't think I "worship" myself. I mean, obviously I can be selfish and self serving at times because I'm not perfect, but my faith doesn't teach me to be that way, it teaches me not to be that way.
Because your god is actually an extension of yourself. Everyone's is. Whether you realize it or not, you are in fact your own god. You've painted a character on it, but that is indeed yourself that you're worshipping and praying to.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 14, 2017 at 2:37 pm
(September 14, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: (September 14, 2017 at 7:37 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: How does theism = self worship though? I for one certainly don't think I "worship" myself. I mean, obviously I can be selfish and self serving at times because I'm not perfect, but my faith doesn't teach me to be that way, it teaches me not to be that way.
Because your god is actually an extension of yourself. Everyone's is. Whether you realize it or not, you are in fact your own god. You've painted a character on it, but that is indeed yourself that you're worshipping and praying to.
I don't think so. If so then I would just do whatever I wanted and just say God is ok with it.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 14, 2017 at 2:48 pm
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What do you want to do that god isn't okay with? Do you often find that god is okay with whatever it is that you actually do?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 14, 2017 at 2:51 pm
(September 14, 2017 at 8:58 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: GC is correct that we believe we are supposed to "spread the gospel" (though we may not agree on the best way of going about it). We also believe we are supposed to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, visit the sick, love our enemies, and treat others as we want to be treated.
http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachin...-mercy.cfm
Point is, though, this isn't a church where we are supposed to accept any teaching uncritically and then be eternally thankful for it. There are no real boundaries on what can be posted here, beyond those set out in the Rules of course; However, expect that whatever you do say will most assuredly be questioned to death. If what they want to teach us can't stand up to that level of scrutiny, it may be time to rethink their position. In reality, what we usually get are bricks thrown at us for just not being fair and letting them win, dammit!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 14, 2017 at 2:53 pm
(September 14, 2017 at 2:51 pm)Cyberman Wrote: (September 14, 2017 at 8:58 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: GC is correct that we believe we are supposed to "spread the gospel" (though we may not agree on the best way of going about it). We also believe we are supposed to feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, visit the sick, love our enemies, and treat others as we want to be treated.
http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachin...-mercy.cfm
Point is, though, this isn't a church where we are supposed to accept any teaching uncritically and then be eternally thankful for it. There are no real boundaries on what can be posted here, beyond those set out in the Rules of course; However, expect that whatever you do say will most assuredly be questioned to death. If what they want to teach us can't stand up to that level of scrutiny, it may be time to rethink their position. In reality, what we usually get are bricks thrown at us for just not being fair and letting them win, dammit!
That's perfectly fine. Did my comment make it seem like I was complaining about something that got posted here? I was just adding to the discussion my own point of view about what was said.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 14, 2017 at 2:56 pm
Nope, I'm just clarifying.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 14, 2017 at 2:57 pm
(September 14, 2017 at 2:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 14, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Because your god is actually an extension of yourself. Everyone's is. Whether you realize it or not, you are in fact your own god. You've painted a character on it, but that is indeed yourself that you're worshipping and praying to.
I don't think so. If so then I would just do whatever I wanted and just say God is ok with it.
It's like you're brushing self-awareness with the very tippy-tips of your fingers, but you're just not reaching it.
That, my dear, is exactly what religious people do. Your god agrees with you about everything. If you don't like gay people, then guess what? Your god doesn't like gay people. If you think gay people are ok, then guess what? Your god thinks gay people are ok. In any case, god's qualities are dictated by the assumptions and baggage attached to the individual worshipper.
You might find this interesting (I had a hard time looking this up, but if I find the specific article, I'll add the link): a study was conducted where people were asked to consider what, say, Brad Pitt thought about a certain issue. One part of the brain would light up. They were then asked about their own thoughts on the same issue. A different part of the brain would light up.
Next, they were asked what god thought about the same issue. Guess which part of the brain would light up when they pondered that. Go on...guess.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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