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Holocaust Denial
August 27, 2017 at 9:10 pm
I am somewhat disheartened by the apparent rise of Holocaust denial on the internet and elsewhere.
It seems holocaust denial and anti-semitism are one and the same.
Do you know any ways or info I can throw at those deniers to get them to STFU?!
I would think the biggest argument would be the near dissapearence of Judaism in Europe (i.e, all the traditional strong centers of Jewish culture in Germany and Eastern Europe are pretty much all gone!)
Any ideas?
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RE: Holocaust Denial
August 27, 2017 at 9:29 pm
Why try to shut them up? It's freedom of speech.
Everyone has a right to be openly stupid. It kinda helps identify them when they do.
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RE: Holocaust Denial
August 27, 2017 at 9:42 pm
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RE: Holocaust Denial
August 27, 2017 at 10:13 pm
I have heard that The Holocaust wasn't widely known in American and British circles in the immediate decade or so after the war. I think it wasn't until the early 1970s that the murder of 6 million Jews got the name of Holocaust.
Could that be because of it took place in Poland and the USSR far away from any any American or British reporters? I hear the Soviets were pretty tight-lipped and restrictive about providing access, and they and the eastern bloc engaged in a form of holocaust denial where the anti-semitic nature of Nazi Germany's crimes was vastly downplayed.
I am considering going on a trip to Germany, Poland and Prague to see the former sights of it myself. It is such a fascinating yet horrific period of human history.
In my opinion the Holocaust is the worst thing to have happened on the planet, worse in some ways than any of Stalin or Mao's crimes.
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RE: Holocaust Denial
August 27, 2017 at 10:32 pm
(August 27, 2017 at 10:13 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: I have heard that The Holocaust wasn't widely known in American and British circles in the immediate decade or so after the war. I think it wasn't until the early 1970s that the murder of 6 million Jews got the name of Holocaust.
Could that be because of it took place in Poland and the USSR far away from any any American or British reporters? I hear the Soviets were pretty tight-lipped and restrictive about providing access, and they and the eastern bloc engaged in a form of holocaust denial where the anti-semitic nature of Nazi Germany's crimes was vastly downplayed.
I am considering going on a trip to Germany, Poland and Prague to see the former sights of it myself. It is such a fascinating yet horrific period of human history.
In my opinion the Holocaust is the worst thing to have happened on the planet, worse in some ways than any of Stalin or Mao's crimes.
If you wonder why it wasn't widely known, well, with the Nurembeg Trials airing the details of the worst of the Nazi regime to the general public, it really was widely known. However, for a little over a decade, it was one of those chapters of the war people didn't like to talk about, because, well, it was really fucking disturbing. And no doubt, the discovery of mass graves containing the bodies of thousands of Jews (at least the ones who weren't cremated) is something of a sad ending to the triumphant defeat of Adolf Hitler. What made things change? I suspect the one-two punch of George Lincoln Rockwell's decision to deny everything bad Hitler did and books like Elie Wiesel's Night kind of forced the subject out in the open.
And yes, the name Holocaust only became popular by the late 1960s, but it doesn't really subtract from the reality of the horror. There were other phrases used for it, "The Final Solution," "Shoah," and even the word "Genocide" itself was originally coined specifically to refer to what Hitler was doing to the Jews.
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RE: Holocaust Denial
August 27, 2017 at 10:45 pm
Lelz, 1/10 for people biting.
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RE: Holocaust Denial
August 28, 2017 at 12:03 am
(August 27, 2017 at 10:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Lelz, 1/10 for people biting.
Troll? Should I not waste my time pointing out the hypocrisy of NOT denying all the bullshit behind the bible myth and yet defending THIS crap which was a primarily Catholic enterprise in the first place?
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: Holocaust Denial
August 28, 2017 at 12:11 am
(August 27, 2017 at 10:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Lelz, 1/10 for people biting.
Honestly, at this point, I find myself wondering if this guy is really a troll or if he's legitimately ill-informed. If he is a troll, his responses in this thread show he's taking his sweet-ass time trying to get a rise out of people. If he isn't a troll, well, that still doesn't explain his shout-out to that Onion video poking fun at antisemitism and treating it as comfort.
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RE: Holocaust Denial
August 28, 2017 at 1:53 am
(August 27, 2017 at 9:10 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: I am somewhat disheartened by the apparent rise of Holocaust denial on the internet and elsewhere.
It seems holocaust denial and anti-semitism are one and the same.
Do you know any ways or info I can throw at those deniers to get them to STFU?!
I would think the biggest argument would be the near dissapearence of Judaism in Europe (i.e, all the traditional strong centers of Jewish culture in Germany and Eastern Europe are pretty much all gone!)
Any ideas?
Tell them it's as stupid as catolicism (no lie because about 90% of the anti-semitism which lead to the holocaust was generated by the catholic church).
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RE: Holocaust Denial
August 28, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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(August 27, 2017 at 10:13 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: [edit]
In my opinion the Holocaust is the worst thing to have happened on the planet, worse in some ways than any of Stalin or Mao's crimes.
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Nope, if we limit it to humanity, that would be religion.
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