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RE: Here they go again: Christians bash on marriage
August 30, 2017 at 3:17 pm
And not a peep about folks with Christian marriages divorcing willy nilly and then having the effrontery to REMARRY !!!!
The WHORES !!!!
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RE: Here they go again: Christians bash on marriage
August 30, 2017 at 3:20 pm
(August 30, 2017 at 3:17 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: And not a peep about folks with Christian marriages divorcing willy nilly and then having the effrontery to REMARRY !!!!
The WHORES !!!!
Clearly, they're actually adherents to Paulianity.
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RE: Here they go again: Christians bash on marriage
August 30, 2017 at 3:30 pm
(August 30, 2017 at 2:30 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: What you mean men and women are different!?!?! I'm shocked. Shocked.
It's not about being the same, it's about being equal partners in a relationship. If someone wants it another way, that's perfectly fine. The problem begins when that person wants to impose their preference on other people who might not agree. If you are trying to infer all women are naturally submissive and want to assume such a role in a relationship, well, that's a pretty bold blanket statement.
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RE: Here they go again: Christians bash on marriage
August 30, 2017 at 3:32 pm
marriage has nothing to do with religion that should have been brought up in court and on the same token biblical marriage is not between one man one woman
it's one man many women. Polygamy it's fine in the bible but here in the U.S. it's illegal (except some back water states).
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RE: Here they go again: Christians bash on marriage
August 30, 2017 at 4:00 pm
(August 30, 2017 at 3:30 pm)Longhorn Wrote: (August 30, 2017 at 2:30 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: What you mean men and women are different!?!?! I'm shocked. Shocked. It's not about being the same, it's about being equal partners in a relationship. If someone wants it another way, that's perfectly fine. The problem begins when that person wants to impose their preference on other people who might not agree. If you are trying to infer all women are naturally submissive and want to assume such a role in a relationship, well, that's a pretty bold blanket statement.
A equal partnership does not necessarily mean equivalent roles. I believe the OP was reacting against the notion of a "complementary" relationship. There is a lot of misunderstandings about what is promoted (not imposed) by evangelicals (whom I respect but with whom I do not necessarily agree, doctrinally or culturally).
Outsiders tend to latch onto the word "submissive" but if you dig a little deeper you'll see what they really mean is that women are advised to defer to their husbands. At the end of the day someone's got to decide, right? What outsiders also fail to see is the biblical role of a husband is to "love your wife as Christ loved His Church." That means he must be sacrifice himself to uplift and protect her even if that means being prepared to die for her. That sounds like a pretty fair deal to me. I'll defer to you so long as you are willing to put your family first and sacrifice yourself to provide and protect us.
Let me give you an example from my own life. Most of the times my wife and I make mutual decisions and I am happy to let her have her way most of the time. Happy wife, happy life. But that all changes on the street. She gets to walk along generally care free, check out houses, look at flowers etc. Me, I'm looking for threats and she knows not to ask why if I tell her to "cross the street" or "walk faster." She obeys. At the same time I put myself between her and whatever potential threat I see, whether it is a suspicious character or careless driver. I protect what I love. That is what Ephesians 5:22-23 looks like in practice.
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RE: Here they go again: Christians bash on marriage
August 30, 2017 at 4:31 pm
Well you're really tiptoeing around it. They are talking about "council focuses on outlining the differences between male and female roles in the home and church". I mean really one thing is someone chooses to believe in some fairy tale but steeping down to tell people what they will do in their private life is really bad.
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RE: Here they go again: Christians bash on marriage
August 30, 2017 at 4:32 pm
Ahh yes, the role of the imaginary protector. Just how do all those single women cross the street without having a man around? GMAFB.
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RE: Here they go again: Christians bash on marriage
August 30, 2017 at 4:46 pm
Quote:but steeping down to tell people what they will do in their private life is really bad.
But commonplace with religitards who think their ancient books give them the right to dictate how every one else should live.
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RE: Here they go again: Christians bash on marriage
August 30, 2017 at 4:46 pm
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(August 30, 2017 at 4:31 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Well you're really tiptoeing around it. They are talking about "council focuses on outlining the differences between male and female roles in the home and church". I mean really one thing is someone chooses to believe in some fairy tale but steeping down to tell people what they will do in their private life is really bad.
You might think differently if, like me, you've spent several hours in Men's Groups hosted by an evangelical church. In my case they were hosted by Wheaton Bible Church in, unsurprisingly, Wheaton, Illinois. Or read some of the more popular books like "Love and Respect: The Love She Most Desires, the Respect He Desperately Needs".Overall, I think may evangenlicals find these teachings helpful and insightful. YMMV. Maybe it's not for you. No one's telling you what to do in your private life, but if you ask an evangelical for advice don't be surprised if he references the Bible.
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RE: Here they go again: Christians bash on marriage
August 30, 2017 at 5:02 pm
(August 30, 2017 at 4:46 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (August 30, 2017 at 4:31 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Well you're really tiptoeing around it. They are talking about "council focuses on outlining the differences between male and female roles in the home and church". I mean really one thing is someone chooses to believe in some fairy tale but steeping down to tell people what they will do in their private life is really bad.
You might think differently if, like me, you've spent several hours in Men's Groups hosted by an evangelical church. In my case they were hosted by Wheaton Bible Church in, unsurprisingly, Wheaton, Illinois. Or read some of the more popular books like "Love and Respect: The Love She Most Desires, the Respect He Desperately Needs".Overall, I think may evangenlicals find these teachings helpful and insightful. Then again, maybe not. YMMV. No one's telling you what to do in your private life.
When I hear of Evangelical men's groups, I always imagine them breaking into song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa26_esLBE
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