A good argument for God's existence (long but worth it)

[Mystic]

Ok, I think my actual question got lost in the shuffle.

Does MK believe value is relative or absolute?

It is both.  It exists in both forms.

[Redbeard The Pink]

Ok, I think my actual question got lost in the shuffle.

Does MK believe value is relative or absolute?

It is both.  It exists in both forms.

Under what circumstances is value absolute? Under what circumstances is it relative?

[Mystic]

Oops: posted in wrong thread.

[Cyberman]

We noticed

[Astonished]

It is both.  It exists in both forms.

Under what circumstances is value absolute? Under what circumstances is it relative?

Better question: how is that NOT a fucking gargantuan contradiction?

[bennyboy]

Ok, I think my actual question got lost in the shuffle.

Does MK believe value is relative or absolute?

It is both.  It exists in both forms.

No, it doesn't.  Value is the property of being good, as evaluated by a subjective agent.  There's nothing absolute about it, and it cannot sensibly be said so.

[Aroura]

Look, I get it. God is so great, we cannot comprehend him and so cannot apply our puny definitions of good and evil to him.

But that just makes evil meaningless the other direction as well. If killing innocent babies in a mass flood isn't evil for god, and god is great, then why is it evil for us to do something similar? Should we not aspire to be more perfect, more like god?

And this is where you argument falls flat. If our definition of evil does not apply to god, then all of it becomes meaningless.

Your notion of god is just an alien, so foreign we cannot understand it. Only to be worshiped to avoid pain and punishment.

If the idea is that god is loving, that is a human idea, with human concepts behind it. If god cannot fit our definitions of loving, not evil, etc, then he is simply an alien monster possibly without any sort of notion of human ideas like love or evil, nor any way to understand them, much like I cannot know what a shark feels when it senses prey with its electrical receptors. I simply don't have anything close enough to reference it.

Personally it seems that you and other god bothered are simply projecting your own feelings out into the void.

[Mystic]

It is both.  It exists in both forms.

Under what circumstances is value absolute? Under what circumstances is it relative?

This was a good question.

In so far as our vision seeks to know from the vision of the absolute, and gain light from light, it is objective. However, as the luminosity and angle of perceptions are limited, it is subjective. 

And as for those who rely on ignorance to value and rely on the dark sorcery and false self for value, they are walking towards shadows and shadows, and are immersed in confusion, they have little relationship to objective value or valuing, but there is always the Guide who sees them exactly as they are, with them, calling them back to God, though they may belittle it as nothing and constantly ignore him, and the witnesses vision and thundering call in their soul.

And as for God's vision, is it the vision of the absolute, and in this sense, even the witness of the time doesn't know people truly "you do not know them while we know them" "no one knows them but God", neither do Angels neither does the witness of the people of time, their leader and guide who is closest to vision of people's actions and states to God's vision, but the vision of the guide is truth as well, it just limited truth. None of it is false.

While disbelievers they are immersed in confusion and shadows of falsehood and vision through sorcery of lies and webs of deceit,  and believers have a light from the Prophets entrusted to them, by which they should walk and make it out of the confusion.

[Aegon]

(long but worth it)

[Mystic]

(long but worth it)

I reread it and find it flows well and proves God conclusively. At least show me you understand it.