A good argument for God's existence (long but worth it)

[Mystic]

Proof is by which something is proven. It can be a series of reminders that link to one another to form an argument, or in reality, it can be a direct vision to God as is the witness and guide of time who is the means to God by which the personality of God is witnessed as well as the Mathematical principle of his absolute endless oneness. Scientific theory and model comes close to proof but is not actually a proof. My arguments all prove God decisively.

A sound proof compels acceptance. The proof is in the pudding: does it convince people not inclined at first to believe it? That you even consider that you are in a position to evaluate your own arguments and declare them sound in the face of widespread lack of acceptance misses the point of what makes a proof good. You finding it convincing doesn't make it good. Us finding it convincing would demonstrate that it's a good argument, because we can be counted on to evaluate it critically. And you know that on some level, it's why theists keep trying to convince us, they know if they can, then they're really on to something.

A vision of God can only be proof to the person having the vision, and only if they reject all the possible natural explanations for their experience. It may be the nature of such experiences that they convince the individual who has them. But to anyone besides the experiencer, the experience is a claim, and you have know way of knowing whether it was truly an omnipotent creator of the universe that contacted you, an alien or supernatural trickster, an hallucination, or something better described as 'unexplained'. Just like a leap of faith can let you believe anything, a revelation can reveal anything. It would be something if all religious experiences led to the same religion, but they reliably lead to the one the experiencer is practicing or has been locally exposed to. 'Direct witness to God' isn't evidence, it's just another claim.

Most humans don't accept evidence or clear proofs. Quran argues that, but I witness this 1st hand with Sunni-Shia issue. Despite clear proofs existing both in Quran and ahadith of Sunnis regarding the family of Mohammad and their authority, the majority of Muslims don't accept these proofs.

I witness firsthand people go into denial to what Quran proves but give lip service to Quran their whole lives and deceive themselves.

[The Grand Nudger]

"Magic book said you'd say that."

[Mystic]

"Magic book said you'd say that."

It something I observe is true though, not just because Quran has that paradigm, but something I witness from Sunnis as well as you guys. 

The mocking nature towards proofs of God and signs of God is also accurately shown in Quran to the root cause of disbelief, I see this is reality. 

I dismissed such things for a while when I didn't believe Quran had proper arguments for God nor believed there was strong conclusive arguments and proofs for God, but now I experience this first hand.

The best arguments can be presented, the best elaboration, but at the end, it will just increase those affected with mockery towards the Sacred path and journey, with rebellion and aversion.

All I can do is presents the proofs that are but at the end, reminders, reminders of who we are and who is our link and who we are linked to by that mystic link.

[Mister Agenda]

The mocking nature towards proofs of God is based on a combination of their inadequacy and the inability of apologists to discern their limitations.

[The Grand Nudger]

Mock an apologist and he accuses you of mocking god.  They're probably on to something.

[WinterHold]

"Magic book said you'd say that."

It something I observe is true though, not just because Quran has that paradigm, but something I witness from Sunnis as well as you guys. 

The mocking nature towards proofs of God and signs of God is also accurately shown in Quran to the root cause of disbelief, I see this is reality. 

I dismissed such things for a while when I didn't believe Quran had proper arguments for God nor believed there was strong conclusive arguments and proofs for God, but now I experience this first hand.

The best arguments can be presented, the best elaboration, but at the end, it will just increase those affected with mockery towards the Sacred path and journey, with rebellion and aversion.

All I can do is presents the proofs that are but at the end, reminders, reminders of who we are and who is our link and who we are linked to by that mystic link.

So; when somebody makes fun of your insulting behavior, and repays your bigotry with an opposite bigotry; they are "jeloua of your proofs so they mock them because they are true"?

Maybe others are making fun of you, mocking you, because your beliefs and ideas insult them?

If your opinion was true; you won't hold such an opinion: sacred path? who do you think you are? we try; . Sacred is not for us to claim; even the Quran says so:

Sura 35, The Quran:
( 32 )   Those who avoid the major sins and immoralities, only [committing] slight ones. Indeed, your Lord is vast in forgiveness. He was most knowing of you when He produced you from the earth and when you were fetuses in the wombs of your mothers. So do not claim yourselves to be pure; He is most knowing of who fears Him.

So who are you to claim purity; again?
You're not even close; neither you or your "sacred Imams". Mockery is probably because of your bigotry and disgusting view that you're pure. In reality; you need a shower. You're not pure.

We're all humans. Don't you forget that.

[Astreja]

Mock an apologist and he accuses you of mocking god.  They're probably on to something.

I once heard the term "SPAG" (self-projection as god).  In other words, a believer becomes so entangled in his belief that any attack on his deity is perceived as an attack on him personally.

This is both baffling and amusing, as one would think that an actual god would be quite capable of defending its own honour without help from a mortal. Defend itself in realtime, that is -- not in some fictional court of judgement to be convened after the death of the offending mortal.

[LastPoet]

Mock an apologist and he accuses you of mocking god.  They're probably on to something.

I once heard the term "SPAG" (self-projection as god).  In other words, a believer becomes so entangled in his belief that any attack on his deity is perceived as an attack on him personally.

This is both baffling and amusing, as one would think that an actual god would be quite capable of defending its own honour without help from a mortal. Defend itself in realtime, that is -- not in some fictional court of judgement to be convened after the death of the offending mortal.

I do think god is just a more (so they think) 'perfect' version of the believers own mind. There might be as many gods as believers, living or that are now dead.

Religions are just political stances the perfect self agrees with.

[Astreja]

I do think god is just a more (so they think) 'perfect' version of the believers own mind.  There might be as many gods as believers, living or that are now dead.

Religions are just political stances the perfect self agrees with.

I'd tend to agree.  I myself am not immune to this, as I regularly play a goddess on the Internet and She gets to say stuff that my RL self is hesitant to say.  (The upside is that the two positions are gradually merging and the ideal is becoming a bit more realized as time goes by.)

[Crossless2.0]

I do think god is just a more (so they think) 'perfect' version of the believers own mind.  There might be as many gods as believers, living or that are now dead.

Religions are just political stances the perfect self agrees with.

I'd tend to agree.  I myself am not immune to this, as I regularly play a goddess on the Internet and She gets to say stuff that my RL self is hesitant to say.  (The upside is that the two positions are gradually merging and the ideal is becoming a bit more realized as time goes by.)

I have noticed you getting a little more feisty of late.