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(October 18, 2017 at 3:52 pm)Khemikal Wrote: -abbreviated because who gives a shit?
So that's a big giant no, then, huh. You tell us we need guides, the guides then fail to materialize. What's the point?
This is a good question. The point is what are we supposed to when such a guide doesn't materialize.
I believe the following is what Quran advocates:
"No giving authority to anyone else in that time" which means democratic anarchy, which is the form of "government" or "organizing society affairs" I came to believe during my time as a Deist.
It means no clergy class, but we all must come to learn the religion, teach it to others what we know and learn from others, through insight, not authority top-down structure.
And this is necessary, because, the Guide will not materialize if his materialization is not beneficial but the opposite to humanity.
So if such a Guide is not present among the people but hidden, we have to ask why? And the Quran elaborates why.
But what we Shiites have done is do everything Quran and the family of Guidance warned not to do, we given religious authority to fallible people, attributed purity to people without clear proofs from God, and we follow innovations instead of what God has brought down and the elaborated by the Messenger and guarded by those who truly possess the authority from humanity.
And the point is, it is saying, we did something wrong when the Guides were present, and it is a time to correct ourselves or further perish, as a test from God. We have failed the test and until a generation stops following the previous generations in their way of misguidance, we will continue distance ourselves from the Guide and God.
I think that like all religious books it can be made to mean what you want it to.
Look at ISIS, they have taken your nice book and made it the bedrock for horror.
And you know what, they aren't wrong and neither are you, because there is no "real" Islam any more than there is a "real" Venusian society.
Its all just made up.
(October 19, 2017 at 10:55 am)Khemikal Wrote: I'm not a spammer, therefore our faiths are different? Because unless that's what you're saying..why did you waste the time to say it? As a sidenote, when I stripped you of your advocated faith....did you feel a draft?
Look, I know, I know, you don't think you're the same as MK. That's another thing you have in common with MK..and all believers. None of you recognize your collective sameness, or how tiresome that becomes as an outsider.
Exactly. If you're a spammer, then you believe that others must believe in the same thing you advocate even if it was through constant bugging and constant bombardment; and probably you will jump to violence next.
I'll say that you didn't yet explode; but the moment will come when you turn the spamming into compulsion.
All you need is time. Desperation will get into you, and there you will drift. Ask any terrorist.
October 19, 2017 at 12:49 pm (This post was last modified: October 19, 2017 at 12:50 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Has it ever occurred to you that your own posts make people worry about the same? You;re far more and far more often political than MK has ever been......and have a penchant for, shall we say.. Certain Narratives™?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
October 19, 2017 at 1:00 pm (This post was last modified: October 19, 2017 at 1:04 pm by WinterHold.)
(October 19, 2017 at 12:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Has it ever occurred to you that your own posts make people worry about the same? You;re far more and far more often political than MK has ever been......and have a penchant for, shall we say.. Certain Narratives™?
That's the difference between an expert in religions, and a non-expert.
Did you actually open the books of MK's cult?
Read what he never shows you. He'll never give you these links; and he'll use your ignorance in Arabic to hide all of this.
As for me; I didn't call for the mass killing of Shiites. Or Sunnies. Or Europeans. Or anybody. But I defintly stand against Shiite Iran owning a nuke; or anybody actually, I expect a professional in religions to tell the difference between my views and his.
You both have a habit of excising the violence by omission.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(October 19, 2017 at 11:25 am)MysticKnight Wrote: If you mean Qawimoon which often is translated as men having authority over women, I know for certain this is not true, it means they are to uplift women, and this is true vice versa as well, we both need each other and need uplift each other. This is just a way to say, we are meant to degrade one another but support one another and uplift one another.
No, that is untrue. The gender of a person who chooses to help me is simply not relevant. I've been betrayed by men and aided by women, and the other way around as well.
Quote:Because God graced men with things above women and grace women with things above men, we are meant to uplift each other, not try to be the same but appreciate each other strengths and God's grace on both.
I've never been interested in gender roles. I'd rather go shopping for power tools than do childcare or other traditionally female things.
Quote:As for financial, it was due to the situation of that time where women barely worked...
Do you have any fucking idea how physically taxing it is to maintain a household? "Barely worked," my ass!
Quote: ...and didn't read and didn't get to exercise their mind...
That certainly isn't the women's fault. That betrays a backwards, misogynistic culture that did not value women enough to teach them.
Quote:...and as for sexual crimes, it is simple, who usually likes to spread rumors about these things?
Well, not me, that's for certain. It is established that both men and women gossip. Deal with it.
Quote:Maybe in this time, women are not like this but during that time, women had a lot of time and time breeds rumor spreading and story planning - and so it was all act of precautions.
Stop making excuses for your religion's unforgivable subjugation of women. In the 21st century there is no justification whatsoever for perpetuating such crap.
(October 19, 2017 at 1:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You both have a habit of excising the violence by omission.
You too. You defended the atomic bomb in more than one occasion.
MK is preaching for a utopia that comes after huge battles and a mass-execution of Sunnies; read Al-Mahdy's belief.
Me am preaching for people to accept and practice this verse:
Quote:Sura 2,The Quran:
(256 ) There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
The difference between the paths is very big. He'll keep playing you; and make gymnastic jumps around words.
Telling you he believe this verse; but troll people online to trick them into his faith, and call it "seeds".
October 19, 2017 at 1:39 pm (This post was last modified: October 19, 2017 at 1:44 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 19, 2017 at 1:28 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: You too. You defended the atomic bomb in more than one occasion.
Oh goodness, somebody is pulling a tq....and failing. Double plus ungood.
Atlas...I'm openly violent and openly supportive of violence. I have no need to excise violence from my wordview by omission or any other way.
Quote:MK is preaching for a utopia that comes after huge battles and a mass-execution of Sunnies; read Al-Mahdy's belief.
Me am preaching for people to accept and practice this verse:
You and he and all the rest of the mujahideen - we've seen how that works out.
Quote:The difference between the paths is very big. He'll keep playing you; and make gymnastic jumps around words.
Telling you he believe this verse; but troll people online to trick them into his faith, and call it "seeds".
I think that you're crediting MK with far more skill than he has. Neither of you are capable of playing me..I know that you;re both full of shit..and, for the most part..the same shit. Yall have a disagreement about the exact dimensions of Clark Kents phonebooth.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
October 19, 2017 at 2:14 pm (This post was last modified: October 19, 2017 at 2:14 pm by WinterHold.)
(October 19, 2017 at 1:24 pm)Astreja Wrote:
(October 19, 2017 at 11:25 am)MysticKnight Wrote: If you mean Qawimoon which often is translated as men having authority over women, I know for certain this is not true, it means they are to uplift women, and this is true vice versa as well, we both need each other and need uplift each other. This is just a way to say, we are meant to degrade one another but support one another and uplift one another.
No, that is untrue. The gender of a person who chooses to help me is simply not relevant. I've been betrayed by men and aided by women, and the other way around as well.
The word "Qawama" literally means "to stand"; so if we said "somebody is Qayem"; it means somebody is "standing".
That "standing" is through taking care of the female and also spending.
Even animals have certain definitions for genders, defined by the physical abilities each gender got. Black widows eat the husbands, female bees are born to be queens. Male humans have muscle mass to work. Female humans have warmer nature to keep the house intact from the inside.
MK; weren't you spamming us with the sexism of Islam?
Quote:I think it is sexist, but some people (Muslims) would probably say they are equal but given different roles.
https://atheistforums.org/thread-30786-p...#pid840547
Anyways; I believe personally that just like animals; we have different abilities in terms of genders, and that requires our humankind to do what it can to keep the cell producing the honey.
October 19, 2017 at 2:14 pm (This post was last modified: October 19, 2017 at 2:15 pm by drfuzzy.)
(October 19, 2017 at 1:00 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(October 19, 2017 at 12:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
Has it ever occurred to you that your own posts make people worry about the same? You;re far more and far more often political than MK has ever been......and have a penchant for, shall we say.. Certain Narratives™?
That's the difference between an expert in religions, and a non-expert.
Did you actually open the books of MK's cult?
Read what he never shows you. He'll never give you these links; and he'll use your ignorance in Arabic to hide all of this.
As for me; I didn't call for the mass killing of Shiites. Or Sunnies. Or Europeans. Or anybody. But I defintly stand against Shiite Iran owning a nuke; or anybody actually, I expect a professional in religions to tell the difference between my views and his.
There is something desperately wrong with any religion that has fundamentalist sects that kill. You can say "but they've been led astray into wrong thinking" - but their underpinnings are in a book. It's usually an ancient, outdated book with contents that are always "up for interpretation". "God's word" is always the word of whoever is interpreting it, and god never shows up to clarify. (And I'm not just slamming Muslims here. Christian history is full of this and worse.) Iraq is boiling because of RELIGION.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
