Emotions are intrinsically good and bad

[Transcended Dimensions]

I think you are confusing logic with definitions, tbh.  Since emotions lead to behaviors of avoidance or seeking, then you can see implied evaluations there.  I love someone, I'm drawn to them, maybe procreate at some point.  I've evaluated that person as lovable, and without the emotion of love, I couldn't do that.  That's straight forward enough.  It's so obvious, though, as to be almost unworth mentioning, or entrenching it as a philosophical meme.

Now, I don't want to be insulting, but if you are OCD / autistic, it may be that your feelings and motivations are a little different than mine, so what for me seems straight forward might for you be an important point to grasp.  And certainly, it's possible that if you do think differently than the majority, you may see something we can't.

But based on the words you're saying, I really think you are weaving words together which are just different permeations of definition, and are not in fact stating a logical conclusion or even a new idea.

So, are you saying that I am just defining emotions differently and that rational value judgments themselves can be real emotions since we can define them as being such?  By this, are you implying that our biochemical induced emotions can be defined as not being any emotions at all and we could instead define our rational value judgments as being emotions?  But there is a huge difference between definitions and reality.  There is a label version of emotions which is just the word emotions and then there is the reality version of emotions which are the actual emotions just as how there is the label version of value judgments versus the reality version of value judgments.  I think it is reality that our biochemical emotions are real emotions.  Since our rational value judgments themselves would have to be a no biochemical emotional state since a rational mindset or thought alone is the same thing as being a no biochemical emotional state, then it would have to follow that rational value judgments cannot be any real value judgments providing that positive biochemical emotions are good value judgments and negative biochemical emotions are bad value judgments.

[Edwardo Piet]

Now, I don't want to be insulting, but if you are OCD / autistic, it may be that your feelings and motivations are a little different than mine[...]

That may explain why I can half-understand where TD is coming from. Although she is still pretty nuts

[brewer]

It's because it makes things much more convenient for me. [edit]

Is it convenience or necessity? 

What does you mother do/provide that makes it convenient?

Bump, never received a response. What does she do that makes your life convenient?

[Transcended Dimensions]

Now, I don't want to be insulting, but if you are OCD / autistic, it may be that your feelings and motivations are a little different than mine[...]

That may explain why I can half-understand where TD is coming from. Although she is still pretty nuts

By the way, in regards to your question earlier about how I could judge a moderately intense amount of positive emotions over time versus a brief period of a very intense positive emotion as being the better solution, the answer here would be that our rational/thought form of value judgments are actually not real value judgments.  Instead, I would be having the idea of it being a better thing to do, but I wouldn't be judging (seeing) it as a good thing as long as I did not feel a positive emotion from that idea.  Our thoughts themselves are just ideas of things such as the idea of food, water, smells, visuals, sound, etc. but they do not bring our lives those things.  They could certainly trigger a certain smell or sound, but they themselves are just ideas.  Therefore, it is instead our emotional value judgments which are the real value judgments.  But what about situations where wise choices need to be made though?  If you felt angry at someone, then wouldn't we say that you would be judging it as a good thing to not harm this innocent person?  We wouldn't.  Rather, we would say that you had the idea of it being a good thing, but you weren't actually judging (seeing) any real good value in that.  Nonetheless, we should still make wise choices anyway since they are ideas of avoiding harmful, bad situations and reckless deeds to ourselves and others.

[The Grand Nudger]

We should avoid harmful, bad situations and reckless deeds to ourselves and others -regardless- of how good we might feel engaged in them.  Utterly scuttling your entire position on the nature of good and evil.

-You- don't even agree with your own position, you're just too dense and stubborn to realize it.

[Transcended Dimensions]

We should avoid harmful, bad situations and reckless deeds to ourselves and others -regardless- of how good we might feel engaged in them.  Utterly scuttling your entire position on the nature of good and evil.

-You- don't even agree with your own position, you're just too dense and stubborn to realize it.

I already said that though.  I still said you should avoid harmful situations even if you couldn't feel good.  But I said that you would only be having the idea of it being a good thing to avoid them, but not actually judging (seeing) it as a good thing to avoid them.

[The Grand Nudger]

You say it, but you don't realize that by saying it you argue against your own positions. If feeling good was intrinsically good, and the only real good™, you'd have no reason to say what you say in the first place. Saying it would be nonsense.

Do you understand?

[brewer]

[Transcended Dimensions]

You say it, but you don't realize that by saying it you argue against your own positions.  If feeling good was intrinsically good, and the only real good™, you'd have no reason to say what you say in the first place.  Saying it would be nonsense.

Do you understand?

When I said that you should still avoid harmful situations because it is still a good idea to avoid them even if you couldn't feel good, I meant it as purely an idea and saying that does not imply that rational value judgments are real value judgments of good value.  I don't think that contradicts my view that our positive emotions are the only way we can judge things as good.

[The Grand Nudger]

Then you made a comment unanchored from reality or any rational judgement.  It was purely an idea.  No significance.  Make up your mind.

All bullshit aside....this particular brand of idiocy is tedious. You don't think it contradicts your previous comments? Who gives a shit..you're a loon. It does, obviously we -can- judge things as good or bad apart from how they make us feel, you've just given an example of how we do that.........and it only takes one example to completely shitcan your comments otherwise.

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