What is the controversy surrounding #takeaknee

[John V]

Why do you feel that is anything other than symbolic?

Because it's an actual law.

Black people are a unique group with laws passed to specifically disenfranchise that group.

What are those laws?

[Shell B]

If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there's no progress. If you pull it all the way out that's not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven't even pulled the knife out much less heal the wound. They won't even admit the knife is there. - Malcolm X

While the general attitude/goals of Malcolm X never jived with how I hoped race relations would go, that man made a lot of sense a lot of the time. It's tough for everyone who wants to heal those wounds and work together on the future of our country, instead of being distracted by stupid shit like skin color, when a good portion of this country refuses to believe racism is even a problem here. They see the number of black men incarcerated as indicative of the quality of black people rather than indicative of the socioeconomic pressure put on black men/women since slavery was ended.

Anyway, if I go off on the topic, it'll just go on forever. Suffice to say that I was disappointed this Sunday when my Patriots didn't kneel.

[Neo-Scholastic]

If you don't see oppression and stand up against it, that's on you.

You're right. I don't see how anyone can claim to be oppressed in the United States of America today.

Facts don't matter to the left:

Blacks constituted 62 percent of all robbery defendants in America's 75 largest counties in 2009, 57 percent of all murder defendants and 45 percent of all assault defendants, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, even though blacks comprise only 15 percent of the population in those counties.

In New York City, where blacks make up 23 percent of the city's population, blacks commit three-quarters of all shootings and 70 percent of all robberies, according to victims and witnesses in their reports to the New York Police Department. Whites, by contrast, commit less than 2 percent of all shootings and 4 percent of all robberies, though they are nearly 34 percent of the city's population.

In Chicago, 80 percent of all known murder suspects were black in 2015, as were 80 percent of all known nonfatal shooting suspects, though they are a little less than a third of the population. Whites made up 0.9 percent of known murder suspects in Chicago in 2015 and 1.4 percent of known nonfatal shooting suspects, though they are about a third of the city's residents.

SOURCE

[The Grand Nudger]

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[LadyForCamus]

Is anyone going to read the article? Lol.

When you control for poverty, the racial disparities among things like crime and violent crime disappear in a puff of smoke.

[Thumpalumpacus]

If you don't see oppression and stand up against it, that's on you.

You're right. I don't see how anyone can claim to be oppressed in the United States of America today.

Facts don't matter to the left:

Blacks constituted 62 percent of all robbery defendants in America's 75 largest counties in 2009, 57 percent of all murder defendants and 45 percent of all assault defendants, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, even though blacks comprise only 15 percent of the population in those counties.

In New York City, where blacks make up 23 percent of the city's population, blacks commit three-quarters of all shootings and 70 percent of all robberies, according to victims and witnesses in their reports to the New York Police Department. Whites, by contrast, commit less than 2 percent of all shootings and 4 percent of all robberies, though they are nearly 34 percent of the city's population.

In Chicago, 80 percent of all known murder suspects were black in 2015, as were 80 percent of all known nonfatal shooting suspects, though they are a little less than a third of the population. Whites made up 0.9 percent of known murder suspects in Chicago in 2015 and 1.4 percent of known nonfatal shooting suspects, though they are about a third of the city's residents.

SOURCE

I have already addressed the superficial touting of statistics by challenging Alpha Male to give us an analysis which explains those stats.

You have the same opportunity to do so as well. The fact that you apparently prefer the same superficial approach doesn't bode well for a productive discussion.

Why do you suppose minorities are so well-represented?

[bennyboy]

Am I the only one who gets the sense that these pro athletes are basically the highest-paid slaves ever? The message seems to be "We'll pay you, and you will tow the line. You will support the powers that be, you will show due respect, you will BEHAVE. You will fucking BEHAVE the way you are told, because while you have millions, you must not forget that we have billions, and you will never be one of us."

They are expressing their freedom, as accorded them by the constitution of the United States of America, and in a particularly harmless and peaceful manner. How could embracing the constitution in the face of an oppressive governmental force (read: the police) ever be seen as anything but patriotic?

As far as I'm concerned, the level of outrage among blacks in the US is totally justified, and borders on justification for exercising their second amendment rights-- to bear arms against an oppressive government. It is with incredible forbearance of the citizens of some of these communities that there are not hundreds of dead cops already, IMO. And, interestingly for us, I'd mostly credit that with the high levels of Christianity to be found among them.

[Neo-Scholastic]

I’m sure there are multiple factors at play: class, education, culture, personal choices, family structures, etc. To focus only on personal choices and culture would be to blame the victim. To focus only on class and education is to ignore individual agency. Regardless of circumstances, I cannot fathom how anyone living in the United States of America can cry about oppression when they live in a country that abounds in opportunities. No one here is clamoring to get into Mexico to find a job. When our poor people live in air-conditioned apartments, with refrigerators, and televisions, while the rest of the world lives on less than $10 a day, claims of oppression ring hollow.

[Divinity]

When our poor people live in air-conditioned apartments, with refrigerators, and televisions, while the rest of the world lives on less than $10 a day, claims of oppression ring hollow.

So does this mean you guys are FINALLY going to SHUT THE FUCK UP about Christian Oppression?  When you've got a goddamn church on every street corner, and your commander in chief fuckup mc fuckerstein is demanding that WE SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS AGAIN.  And Bill O'Fuckhead saying that there's a fucking war on Christmas.  SO that's finally going to stop?  Right?

[John V]

I have already addressed the superficial touting of statistics

Any statistics are better than what the typical NFL player is giving us, which is nothing.

by challenging Alpha Male to give us an analysis which explains those stats.

First, that's a shift of the burden of proof. The protesters should be the ones making a clear argument.

Second, I've noted repeatedly that, once you reach a confrontation with the police, such explanations are meaningless. Police must act on perceived immediate danger.

Third, I have given some explanation,such as the Sowell article which notes that black poverty was worse in the 40s and 50s, but crime rates were lower. Beginning in the 60s, single parent families started increasing, and so did crime.