Thoughts on Hell?

[Kernel Sohcahtoa]

I most certainly do, just because you've never met Him doesn't mean He doesn't exist, scientist said that the coelacanth did exist any longer and yet it proved them wrong. Not only that they had been told be fisherman that they were catching from time to time, ignorant scientist wouldn't even check it out, just like the atheist here want check out the God of the Bible. You're right, "wanting something not to exist doesn't make it true. God is there and no matter how hard you try to dismiss Him He is still there.
GC

Is the part in bold a statement of conclusive knowledge, proof, and evidence?  Out of curiosity, if your statement is not solely based on conclusive evidence/knowledge/proof, then are you open to the possibility that the statement in bold may not be in strict accordance with fact? Thanks

[Whateverist]

I most certainly do, just because you've never met Him doesn't mean He doesn't exist, scientist said that the coelacanth did exist any longer and yet it proved them wrong. Not only that they had been told be fisherman that they were catching from time to time, ignorant scientist wouldn't even check it out, just like the atheist here want check out the God of the Bible. You're right, "wanting something not to exist doesn't make it true. God is there and no matter how hard you try to dismiss Him He is still there.
GC

Is the part in bold a statement of conclusive knowledge, proof, and evidence?  Out of curiosity, if your statement is not solely based on conclusive evidence/knowledge/proof, then are you open to the possibility that the statement in bold may not be in strict accordance with fact? Thanks

Oh I see what he's saying.  A fish known from the fossil record being found still living in the ocean is just exactly like a god (whatever that may be) being found in the supernatural zone (whatever that may be) .. or it would be if only we could find the fossilized remains of a god in the fossil record.

[The Valkyrie]

Thoughts on hell...

Needs air con.

Also probably has a better night life than Heaven.

[Godscreated]

To bad you had to spend so much of your time looking all that stuff up because I have no children. If I did I would as I have with myself given them a book that shows the different religions compared to Christianity.

Let me guess -- A book about other religions, from a Christian author?  No.  I prefer to get the information from the source, so that it will reflect the actual beliefs and practices of a religion rather than an outsider perspective.

Yes a Christian author and why not it is a book comparing other religions to Christianity after all. This book has only facts about each religion and was sourced from their material, Christians aren't as deceiving as you would like them to be. Lying to children and then they find out differently would only cause trouble, the Bible teaches this basic fact. 
When the child grows up and wants to research deeper into the religions of others that will be it's decision.

Children are vulnerable and should be protected from those things that can harm them, you and I see a total difference in what is harmful to children.

That's precisely why I would never expose a child to a hell-threatening religion.  I know people who are still struggling with PTSD many decades after receiving that kind of abuse from parents or church personnel.

Since I do not know these people I will have to take your word for it and if it's the truth then those people were not raised according to the scriptures. Believe me I know parents who get zealous about their children and Christianity and have heard of churches that push to hard, they do it because they believe they are right but they are not teaching according to the scriptures. I wouldn't call it abuse as you do, I believe they are sincerely afraid for their child's eternal destination and they do not trust God to help them with the child.

Jesus told His disciples when they tried to keep children from coming to Him, it would be better for a parent to tie a millstone around his neck than to keep the children from me. Not taking your child to church and thus indoctrinating her against Christianity is exactly what Christ was telling His disciples.  She most likely will never seek out God because of you and God will, even though you do not believe, hold you responsible.

No, I never said a word to her either for or  against Christianity when she was a child (although as adults we occasionally share an eye-roll when dealing with nonsense like the late Harold Camping's failed end-times predictions).

Christians that are literate of what the Bible teaches also roll their eyes at such things.
 

If anyone has a millstone around her neck, it's the grade 5 girl who called my daughter a "devil child" when she found out my daughter wasn't a Christian.  Without batting an eye my daughter responded "No, that should be 'demon child'" and terminated their friendship on the spot.

I'm sure she had to say that to a lot of children then and I think you and I both know how cruel children can be at times and they usually regret it later. You should have confronted her parents about the situation so they could have disciplined her. You on the other hand should have told your daughter that even friends say things at times they do not mean. people aren't perfect and especially children. I'm betting there was more to the situation that you may not have been told but then maybe not.

Hell is your highway you're zooming down and I promise you will find it extremely terrible.

I do not find your "promise" credible.  For that matter, I don't find you credible.  This, however, I rather enjoy:

 

 Of course you would and what might their eternal destination be. Before you go off I use to be a big fan of there's myself.

GC

[Astreja]

I wouldn't call it abuse as you do, I believe they are sincerely afraid for their child's eternal destination and they do not trust God to help them with the child.

I see it as one of the worst kinds of non-physical abuse.  The fear that it creates in the body deranges the endocrine system and can have lifelong consequences.

...I think you and I both know how cruel children can be at times and they usually regret it later. You should have confronted her parents about the situation so they could have disciplined her.

I am not a helicopter parent.  My daughter is perfectly capable of deciding who her friends are.

[pocaracas]

Let me guess, no one even blinked when you hinted (because you never told them that) that god could carry out actions in the absence of time.

 They all already understood what eternity means, even the youth of the church understand eternity, you my friend are behind the time.

GC

Most people understand our universe like a box where everything happens. And you also have space and time in there, too.
And then whatever is outside of that box is beyond the universe.

The problem is that "outside" implies space; and actions imply time. And both these implied concepts are so rooted in us that we don't think of what it means to have them missing. We totally lack any intuition as to what that means and what it entails.
I'm trying to get you to understand this... not sure I'm having much success.... but I can tell for sure that (at least) most of those in your church will be thinking in terms of the box with space and time to spare beyond the box.

[downbeatplumb]

  I most certainly do, just because you've never met Him doesn't mean He doesn't exist, scientist said that the coelacanth did exist any longer and yet it proved them wrong. Not only that they had been told be fisherman that they were catching from time to time, ignorant scientist wouldn't even check it out, just like the atheist here want check out the God of the Bible. You're right, "wanting something not to exist doesn't make it true. God is there and no matter how hard you try to dismiss Him He is still there.
GC

---

I maintain that I very much doubt you do know it.
I can say that with a certain amount of assurance because I have seen what think of as evidence for god, which amounts to you just wanting to believe really really hard.

If you have anything of worth present it for our inspection, just be aware that there is a good chance that we won't believe you.

[Angrboda]

Let me guess -- A book about other religions, from a Christian author?  No.  I prefer to get the information from the source, so that it will reflect the actual beliefs and practices of a religion rather than an outsider perspective.

Yes a Christian author and why not it is a book comparing other religions to Christianity after all. This book has only facts about each religion and was sourced from their material, Christians aren't as deceiving as you would like them to be. Lying to children and then they find out differently would only cause trouble, the Bible teaches this basic fact. 
When the child grows up and wants to research deeper into the religions of others that will be it's decision.

Yes, because we know how even-handed you and your Southern Baptist brethren are about presenting the truths of other religions.....

Hindu Prayer guide "Divali: Festival of Lights":

The SBC released 30,000 copies of the guide just before the most important Hindu festival of 1999: the three-day celebration of Divali, a.k.a. Diwali and Festival of Lights. It has 16 pages, and includes short daily prayers covering a 12 day period. "According to Louis Moore, editor of the latest publication, the language is harsher in this guide [compared to other guides] because 'There is a clearer definition that Hindus are lost.' " 1 This decision was probably made because Hinduism is a polytheistic faith, while other guides concerned monotheistic religions: Islam and Judaism.

Chandrakant Panse is a co-organizer of New England Hindus Against Religious Intolerance. About 60 people staged a peaceful march on 1999-NOV-21 outside the Beacon Hill Baptist Church on Cambridge Street in Boston, MA. They carried signs: "Respect All Religions" and "Intolerance is Un-American". Ms. Panse said: ''We're asking the Baptists to retract their malicious attacks on the Hindu religion and its people.'' The group was protesting a Hindu prayer guide distributed by the International Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention.  Some of the statements in the guide are:

• ''Hindus seek power and blessing through the worship of gods and goddesses and the demonic powers that lay behind them."
  
• "Hindus lack a concept of sin or personal responsibility."
  
• "...the darkness in their Hindu hearts that no lamp can dispel.''
  
• ''...demonic powers lie behind Hindu gods."
  
• "...more than 900 million people lost in the hopeless darkness of Hinduism."
  
• "Walking through the streets of India during Divali is a sobering reminder of the power of darkness that lies over this land."
  
• "Mumbai [India] is a city of spiritual darkness. Eight out of every 10 people are Hindu, slaves bound by fear and tradition to false gods."
  
• "Satan has retained his hold on Calcutta through Kali and other gods and goddesses of Hinduism. It's time for Christ's salvation to come to Calcutta."
  
• Hindus live under ''the power of Satan.''
  

The other organizer of the protest, Suresh Jain, commented that ''None of this is true. We are offended by statements in the prayer book which say the only path to salvation is to follow Jesus Christ.''

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sbc_pray2.htm

[Godscreated]

[Godscreated]

I most certainly do, just because you've never met Him doesn't mean He doesn't exist, scientist said that the coelacanth did exist any longer and yet it proved them wrong. Not only that they had been told be fisherman that they were catching from time to time, ignorant scientist wouldn't even check it out, just like the atheist here want check out the God of the Bible. You're right, "wanting something not to exist doesn't make it true. God is there and no matter how hard you try to dismiss Him He is still there.
GC

Is the part in bold a statement of conclusive knowledge, proof, and evidence?  Out of curiosity, if your statement is not solely based on conclusive evidence/knowledge/proof, then are you open to the possibility that the statement in bold may not be in strict accordance with fact? Thanks

 First I re-read my post and saw I was surely half asleep with all the wrong words in it, sorry. Yes I have the evidence, actually proof of God's existence through my relationship with Him. This proof can only come from God to those who devote themselves to Him. He promises to reveal Himself once we have accepted Jesus as our savior and Lord, the bold word here is very important in coming to knowledge of God. New and immature Christians do not seek God's promise because they either do not know to or are to lazy to serve Him as Lord, they live a life in faith and possibly belief but without the promised knowledge. I have this knowledge because I desired it and God responded in giving me what I needed, asking with a sincere heart will bring results in God's timing. Patients is a real need and virtue for Christians, we as people can be very impatient especially in this day and time. God working outside of time, that is being omnipresent will deliver when He knows it is the right time. So, yes it is through fact that I have knowledge God is real but for the non-believer what I have isn't possible for them until they commit to Jesus as savior and Lord, and as I stated there are many Christians that do not have this promised knowledge. Thanks for you polite response that you always bring to a conversation.

GC

GC

---

I wouldn't call it abuse as you do, I believe they are sincerely afraid for their child's eternal destination and they do not trust God to help them with the child.

I see it as one of the worst kinds of non-physical abuse.  The fear that it creates in the body deranges the endocrine system and can have lifelong consequences.

There is a fine line between abuse and concern. I'm not saying that some parents don't cross that line but I do believe that most do not. I have seen cases where the children themselves multiply the fear within themselves and the parents coming to them to reassure them that things are alright using Bible studies to do so.

...I think you and I both know how cruel children can be at times and they usually regret it later. You should have confronted her parents about the situation so they could have disciplined her.

I am not a helicopter parent.  My daughter is perfectly capable of deciding who her friends are.

 Are you saying you are one of those who lets their unknowlegeable child grow up on their own?

GC