The atheists catch 22 situation.

[notimportant1234]

Anyway , it was jus an example to make my point .

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You should have read my reply more carefully, I sayed I am not a Christian  . What i sayed it was that a man that lived about 2000 years ago did a better job at creating a God than you .

You mean Constantine I? He only lived 1,650 years ago.

Not the point.

[Brian37]

You mean Constantine I? He only lived 1,650 years ago.

Not the point.

Who cares? If Constantine or George Washington or Gandi existed 10,000 years ago it still would not make magic babies real, just like you don't assign lightening to Thor.

It is a very COMMON tactic for writers of holy writings after the fact, AFTER THE FACT, after the alleged magical claims, to incorporate real places and real people to give the fantastic claims false credibility.

Even si fi fans fall for this bullshit, when trying to assign credit for something.

Gene Roddenberry was a VERY REAL person, but he didn't invent shit. He got his motifs for his show off of prior si fi shows. 

George Washington existed, and Constantine existed, but neither of them were talking to fictional sky heros anymore than you think King Tut was talking to the fictional sun God Ra. Tut was a real provable human, but that did not make the deities the Ancient Egyptians believed in real. 

Not enough humans worldwide consider that this is it, that there is no sky wizard helping us, and that we invent those fictions as a way to cope with our own finite existence.

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You mean Constantine I? He only lived 1,650 years ago.

Not the point.

Who cares? If Constantine or George Washington or Gandi existed 10,000 years ago it still would not make magic babies real, just like you don't assign lightening to Thor.

It is a very COMMON tactic for writers of holy writings after the fact, AFTER THE FACT, after the alleged magical claims, to incorporate real places and real people to give the fantastic claims false credibility.

Even si fi fans fall for this bullshit, when trying to assign credit for something.

Gene Roddenberry was a VERY REAL person, but he didn't invent shit. He got his motifs for his show off of prior si fie shows and movies. 

George Washington existed, and Constantine existed, but neither of them were talking to fictional sky heros anymore than you think King Tut was talking to the fictional sun God Ra. Tut was a real provable human, but that did not make the deities the Ancient Egyptians believed in real. 

Not enough humans worldwide consider that this is it, that there is no sky wizard helping us, and that we invent those fictions as a way to cope with our own finite existence.

[notimportant1234]

Not enough humans worldwide consider that this is it, that there is no sky wizard helping us, and that we invent those fictions as a way to cope with our own finite existence.

Maybe . This maybe it maybe is something after . It isn t something that we should concentrate on because it doesn't affect us.

[Pat Mustard]

You mean Constantine I? He only lived 1,650 years ago.

Not the point.

You were speaking about how the creator of christianity "lived" 2,000 years ago. I was correcting your error.

If pointing out the fallacy in your post is not to the point, then your original post had no point.

[notimportant1234]

Not the point.

You were speaking about how the creator of christianity "lived" 2,000 years ago. I was correcting your error.

If pointing out the fallacy in your post is not to the point, then your original post had no point.

But the point of the afirmation where i speculated that the creator of christianity was 2000 years old was to compare Little Rik with a probably unevolved man from 2000 years ago , the exact number had no point for the purpouse of the statement .

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

How someone who is not interested in this opening can perceive God.

I'm not interested in dogshit, but I can perceive it.


Boru

[downbeatplumb]

I don't think "if god is real why doesn't he show us?" I think "how can people leave in this stupid god shit in this day and age?"

Believe in this stupid shit....my ability to check my words seems to go out of the window at this time of year. I blame the light levels.

[Little Rik]

You mention the word GENUINELY.
Very interesting Chad.

How would you know whether these people were GENUINE or not?  
I know countless religious people who just say that they are religious but within they are interested mainly in materialism.

Materialism make it impossible to be pure within and of course make it impossible to open the door to God.
People have to choose.
They can't have both.  

Knock it of with the "materialism" bullshit.

Atheists don't value "materialism" the way you want it to mean "greed" and "selfishness" and "lawlessness".

Atheist value FACTS, not superstitions, not old comic books. 

That does not mean we are selfish, that does not mean we are greedy, that does not mean we say we can do anything we want. It simply means we don't assign good or bad to COMIC BOOKS.

For the same reason you don't assign lightening to Thor.

Facts.  

What facts Brian?
Don't you know that within this moving and changing universe there are no such a thing as FACTS?
The evidence that is praised today as golden truth will be cast in the rubbish bin of history in the very near future and the fool that bet his balls on that evidence will lose his balls.
Life within this physical universe can be very very cruel.  
The only fact that is never changing and real doesn't belong in his created universe.
A creation involve that the creation itself can not be as smart as the creator.  

Try the experiment yourself if you don't believe me.
Create an animal in your imagination Brian.
Do you really think that this animal can be smarter than you or is this animal a fact?

Think again Brian.  

[Little Rik]

Not at all Chad.

I never believe in external guys from outside.
I rather believe that this universe is within God's consciousness.
It is an internal thought projection.

As you can dream on about everything within your imagination God can also do that with the difference that God thought projection is able to create the 5 fundamental factors that made up the universe (space, air, light-energy, water and matter) while we being his metal projection are unable to create any real element.

All we can create are imagination within the real imagination which are worth next to nothing and the only way out this worthless imagination is to go back into the real cosmic mind so everything will be real.  

Don't get my wrong , I believe God exists too.
But , you just created and endless loop with this theory.
Leting that aside , if we are in God's conciousness, why would he bother with our evolution? 
He can also be a man because I too can create the 5 fundamental elements in my mind. That also means that he is in a world where he can't creat things , he just uses imagination , like an artist( here starts the loop).
And with the last statement " get in the real cosmic mind", that sounds selfish. The Christian God teaches you to work->create with the porpouse to help others arounds you(not a Christian).

It is all a game my friend.
On one hand God doesn't need to create but on the other hand He does.
Why?
Would you like to have everything but be alone?
In a miniature it would be like a couple that feel alone without kids.
This couple give birth to kids and find satisfaction to see these kids grow.
One day trough evolution these kids will turn into parents themselves.
In this way there is both creation and evolution which is something that both creationists and atheists reject as they think that there is only creation or evolution but both creation and evolution are real and go hand in hand.

This creation is quite different from the Christian creation in which humanity start with Adam and Eve.
It rather start with the fundamental factors like matter, water, light-energy, air and space but this is a different story.  

[Whateverist]

You were speaking about how the creator of christianity "lived" 2,000 years ago. I was correcting your error.

If pointing out the fallacy in your post is not to the point, then your original post had no point.

But the point of the afirmation where i speculated that the creator of christianity was 2000 years old was to compare Little Rik with a probably unevolved man from 2000 years ago , the exact number had no point for the purpouse of the statement .

Hey Rik, I can't always understand what notimportant1234 is saying but I think he makes a good point here.  You are kind of like an unevolved man from 2000 years ago in a lot of ways.  Plus, like you (but much worse), he tortures the english language with every word he writes.