Discussion, not Provocation

[Mystic]

You really don't get what I am saying because you are so used being directed on how to think by people who really don't how to.

I am talking about language convention and people being literalists to it now and also limiting paradigms on appropriate ways to respond and a lot is just dumb and makes no sense.

Yes, it's their profession, but they are fools unfortunately with respect to the very thing they are supposed to reflect about and be experts at.

I definitely get what you are saying, and you're 100% right.  People are purposefully obstinate/obtuse/pedantic/disingenuous, and they think that's how discussion is supposed to work.  After all, it's not about an exchange of ideas, it's a game where they keep score by pretending their bullshit is worth a bunch of points even if they know it's bullshit. Politics has certainly taught us that's how it's done.  And I think it's so pervasive now, that people may not be doing it purposefully.  It's just the standard.

Yes, and language often uses hyperbola or shorthand to express things and humans use to be able to sincerely understand a person. Also, in talking, people assume a lot of hidden premises that are implied.  They don't restate things people of their time take for granted all the time.

The eloquence of so many languages is being destroyed.  And idioms and parables are not bad things.

Language is supposed to convey and express.  

Also once a thing is clarified and generally people understand the limitation and angle of a phrase, you don't have to restate the limitation and angle every time. Once or twice is sufficient in the book or otherwise, it sounds horrible.

[LastPoet]

Language is supposed to convey and express.  

IMHO you have been doing that poorly. Perhaps is my mediocre understanding of english. Your words well written,, but the order they are, makes near zero sense to me.

And parables? who do you think you are? Jesus?

[FFaith]

I meant that there is no crime called pedophilia, because pedophilia is completely legal. Can't be charged for a thought crime. That's why they call it child molestation or rape rather than pedophilia.

http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd1.../en#/F65.4

I agree with that. It seemed you were saying the law made a distinction between child rapists who aren't pedophiles and those who are. Obviously, there is no such thing as a thought crime. Pedophiles who never commit any crimes are harmless. I still believe that committing a sexual act on a child takes a sexual attraction, no matter how deviant, and makes you a pedophile. That doesn't demonize pedophiles. That's like saying if men who rape other men are called homosexuals, it demonizes homosexuals.

That certainly does demonize homosexuals and I doubt they would like that too much. To clarify though, I don't think demonizing pedos should actually be against the rules of the forum. It should be allowed. Pedophile is both a medical and slang term, and slang is acceptable on the forum.

[LadyForCamus]

It's not just you, LP. MK is very good at word salads. Like, TGIF's endless salad buffet, good. 😏

[Mister Agenda]

If an argument is fallacious, its conclusion doesn't follow from its premise(s). It doesn't necessarily mean that the conclusion isn't true, but if it is, the reason for it being true is not the fallacious reason given.

You really don't get what I am saying because you are so used being directed on how to think by people who really don't how to.

I am talking about language convention and people being literalists to it now and also limiting paradigms on appropriate ways to respond and a lot is just dumb and makes no sense.

Yes, it's their profession, but they are fools unfortunately with respect to the very thing they are supposed to reflect about and be experts at.

Whatever you have to tell yourself, Deepak.

[LastPoet]

It's not just you, LP.  MK is very good at word salads.  Like, TGIF's endless salad buffet, good.  😏

I hear salads are good to keep Bae's betwixt the normal range of male aproval.

[Amarok]

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^ This demonstrates that you misunderstand logical fallacies.

They are literalist instead of seeing language as a convention and made a paradigm everything has to be directly answered. They are fools.

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Then you clearly don't get logic . Strange for a man who blathers on about how logical his arguments for pixie dust are.

Reasoning and logic predate this century's narrow definition of it and understanding of it. Immersed in conjecture this generation truly is.

I treat the delusional i don't debate them

[Shell B]

That certainly does demonize homosexuals and I doubt they would like that too much.

That's ridiculous, imo. There are plenty of straight people who are rapists. I don't get pissed when people call them straight. That's like people of the same height getting mad if you mention a rapist's height. Saying a rapist is a pedophile isn't the same thing as saying all pedophiles are evil. Saying a rapist is gay is not the same thing as saying gay people are evil. That's just so silly. A person doesn't become not their sexuality when they commit a crime just because someone of the same sexuality might not like it.

Totally derailed at this point. I won't be upset if a mod either tells me to shut it or splits it.

[FFaith]

That certainly does demonize homosexuals and I doubt they would like that too much.

That's ridiculous, imo. There are plenty of straight people who are rapists. I don't get pissed when people call them straight. That's like people of the same height getting mad if you mention a rapist's height. Saying a rapist is a pedophile isn't the same thing as saying all pedophiles are evil. Saying a rapist is gay is not the same thing as saying gay people are evil. That's just so silly. A person doesn't become not their sexuality when they commit a crime just because someone of the same sexuality might not like it.

Totally derailed at this point. I won't be upset if a mod either tells me to shut it or splits it.

If you're talking to a gay person and you tell them that only homosexuals commit rape in jail (you're saying man on man rape makes one a homosexual, right?), and that people of other orientations just don't commit rape in jail, I think they'd look at you like you were crazy. That's what I'm saying. Of course many gay people commit rape and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out. Having man on man sex does not make one gay though.

[henryp]

I dont know, Man on man sex makes you a little gay.