Travis Walton versus The Resurrection.

[John V]

My point with the OP is that with people like Mr. Watson and their stories, there is no reason to believe anything from the New Testament in the way of the "miraculous".  Faith is inconsistent, which is why it is irrational.

And I've given differences between his testimony and that from the NT.

[Minimalist]

For one thing, Paul suffered greatly for his testimony and stuck to it. Who's to say Travis would keep it up if he suffered like Paul?

Evidence?  Or do we have to suffer through more "church tradition?"

[Godscreated]

First, some background (from Wikipedia):

The Travis Walton UFO incident was an alleged abduction of an American logger by a UFO on November 5, 1975, while working with a logging crew in the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest in Arizona. Walton reappeared after a five-day search. The Walton case received mainstream publicity and remains one of the best-known alien abduction stories. Skeptics consider it a hoax.[1][2][3][4][5] Walton wrote a book about it in 1978 called The Walton Experience, which was adapted into the film Fire in the Sky in 1993, written by Tracy Tormé.[6]

He and his co-workers all passed lie detector tests:

In the days following Walton's UFO claim, The National Enquirer awarded Walton and his co-workers a $5000 prize for "best UFO case of the year" after they allegedly passed polygraph exams administered by the Enquirer and a UFO organization.[2][7] Walton, his older brother, and his mother were described by the Navajo County, Arizona sheriff as "longtime students of UFOs".[1] Some UFOlogists believe Walton was abducted by aliens. UFOlogist Jim Ledwith said, “For five days, the authorities thought he’d been murdered by his co-workers, and then he was returned. All of the co-workers who were there, who saw the spacecraft, they all took polygraph tests, and they all passed, except for one, and that one was inconclusive.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Wal...O_incident

Here he is defending his experience:





And, he maintains his story to this very day:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4487397/wo...y-is-true/

Anyone here a skeptic?

Not a skeptic, I just plain ol' do not believe it.

[chimp3]

You just talked about Travis Walton. You didn't make any "versus The Resurrection" argument. Are we supposed to actually make the argument for you before refuting it? 

It was kind of implicit in the title of my OP.  But, please, "refute" it?  Why should we value the testimony of a person such as Paul, a clear epileptic who may have been eating too many mushrooms who also thought that the World was flat with demons and angels in the air above, over someone like Travis Walton??

What kind of psychedelic mushrooms grow in desert reqions?

[Jehanne]

First, some background (from Wikipedia):


He and his co-workers all passed lie detector tests:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Wal...O_incident

Here he is defending his experience:





And, he maintains his story to this very day:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4487397/wo...y-is-true/

Anyone here a skeptic?

Not a skeptic, I just plain ol' do not believe it.

How is his testimony any different than Paul's?

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It was kind of implicit in the title of my OP.  But, please, "refute" it?  Why should we value the testimony of a person such as Paul, a clear epileptic who may have been eating too many mushrooms who also thought that the World was flat with demons and angels in the air above, over someone like Travis Walton??

What kind of psychedelic mushrooms grow in desert reqions?

1st century Palestine was not a desert.  But, how about these:



https://www.kcet.org/redefine/hard-summe...-mushrooms

[Godscreated]

Not a skeptic, I just plain ol' do not believe it.

How is his testimony any different than Paul's?

  Paul was inspired by God through the Holy Spirit. this man claims to have been abducted by aliens that can't possibly have traveled the distance it would take to get hear. We know of no planets that are habitual by beings like to us. If it were possible to reach earth from some where in the galaxy why in the world would they try to keep things a secret, why would they let people go to tell about them if they wanted to remain unnoticed. I mean really how hard can it be to see this man is either a glory seeker or a nut.
GC

[Fake Messiah]

How is his testimony any different than Paul's?

  Paul was inspired by God through the Holy Spirit. this man claims to have been abducted by aliens that can't possibly have traveled the distance it would take to get hear. We know of no planets that are habitual by beings like to us. If it were possible to reach earth from some where in the galaxy why in the world would they try to keep things a secret, why would they let people go to tell about them if they wanted to remain unnoticed. I mean really how hard can it be to see this man is either a glory seeker or a nut.
GC

What makes Walton's story implausible is not that we didn't discover aliens but the story he says and his character as a swindler. On the other hand Paul's "world" is actually without any evidence. Paul belied that there were actually seven spherical layers of heaven above the firmament (which extended from the earth to the moon): Mercury, Venus, the Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, (not always in that order), and above them all, the sphere of the stars. Each was filled with all manner of physical things: trees, gardens, rivers, palaces - everything you could find on earth you could find in heaven. In fact, everything on earth was merely the imperfect copy and shadow of the real things in the heavens, and as you ascended from heaven to higher heaven, the more real and perfect things became, the closer you drew to God. Paul even claims in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 he knows a guy who "was taken as far up as the third heaven," where he heard "things that are not to be told, that no mortal is permitted to repeat"

Now today this is the definition of a nut.

[downbeatplumb]

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I just plain ol' do not believe it.

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That's how I feel about all religion.

[Jehanne]

How is his testimony any different than Paul's?

  Paul was inspired by God through the Holy Spirit. this man claims to have been abducted by aliens that can't possibly have traveled the distance it would take to get hear. We know of no planets that are habitual by beings like to us. If it were possible to reach earth from some where in the galaxy why in the world would they try to keep things a secret, why would they let people go to tell about them if they wanted to remain unnoticed. I mean really how hard can it be to see this man is either a glory seeker or a nut.
GC

Your "reasoning" is circular.  How do you know that Paul was inspired as opposed to being just another 1st-century loon?  Why not just say that he was just another nutjob like Travis Walton, except 2,000 years earlier in time?

[Godscreated]

  Paul was inspired by God through the Holy Spirit. this man claims to have been abducted by aliens that can't possibly have traveled the distance it would take to get hear. We know of no planets that are habitual by beings like to us. If it were possible to reach earth from some where in the galaxy why in the world would they try to keep things a secret, why would they let people go to tell about them if they wanted to remain unnoticed. I mean really how hard can it be to see this man is either a glory seeker or a nut.
GC

Your "reasoning" is circular.  How do you know that Paul was inspired as opposed to being just another 1st-century loon?  Why not just say that he was just another nutjob like Travis Walton, except 2,000 years earlier in time?

Because what Paul taught us about God has been experienced by me, revealed by the Holy Spirit. I have found what Paul said to be true in my life. Paul never claimed to have seen space ships that couldn't have made a journey across the galaxy, he did claim to experience the supernatural God and creator of the universe as billions have over the last 2000 years.

GC

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I just plain ol' do not believe it.

That's how I feel about all religion.
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It's your right, given to you by the God you reject.

GC

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  Paul was inspired by God through the Holy Spirit. this man claims to have been abducted by aliens that can't possibly have traveled the distance it would take to get hear. We know of no planets that are habitual by beings like to us. If it were possible to reach earth from some where in the galaxy why in the world would they try to keep things a secret, why would they let people go to tell about them if they wanted to remain unnoticed. I mean really how hard can it be to see this man is either a glory seeker or a nut.
GC

What makes Walton's story implausible is not that we didn't discover aliens but the story he says and his character as a swindler. On the other hand Paul's "world" is actually without any evidence. Paul belied that there were actually seven spherical layers of heaven above the firmament (which extended from the earth to the moon): Mercury, Venus, the Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, (not always in that order), and above them all, the sphere of the stars. Each was filled with all manner of physical things: trees, gardens, rivers, palaces - everything you could find on earth you could find in heaven. In fact, everything on earth was merely the imperfect copy and shadow of the real things in the heavens, and as you ascended from heaven to higher heaven, the more real and perfect things became, the closer you drew to God. Paul even claims in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 he knows a guy who "was taken as far up as the third heaven," where he heard "things that are not to be told, that no mortal is permitted to repeat"

Now today this is the definition of a nut.

  Seems you know things about Paul others do not, then it could be that you know nothing about what he teaches. Tell me this, you should have the answer since you seem to know all about what the Bible teaches. Why did the writer of Genesis know that the stars were innumerable when only about 6000 stars are visible to the human eye? The ancient people knew that the stars were numerable because they studied them, they were more observable of the stars then they the common man of today even with all our knowledge. Most people do not know that only 6000 stars are visible with the naked eye.