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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 28, 2017 at 11:52 am
(November 28, 2017 at 11:47 am)Shell B Wrote: (November 27, 2017 at 5:00 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: That sounds good, but can't the same be said, for anything you don't agree with?
You've made the various claims of evolution, now all you have to do is prove it! If you don't you can't blame other people for disagreeing.
First I may take a little issue with the word prove, but this really could be begging the question. Now if the person is just proclaiming that everything is fact, and doesn't give a reason for their claim, you might have some point, but even then I don't think saying it like that is right.
Of course it is. It's classic burden of evidence. Evolution is provable, so bad example?
And many theist are going to say the same. Although I certainly wouldn't use the word prove in either case.
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 28, 2017 at 11:54 am
(November 28, 2017 at 11:47 am)Shell B Wrote:
(November 27, 2017 at 5:02 pm)SteveII Wrote: Actually, that is not a correct characterization of God. Part of the meaning of having a perfectly Holy and perfectly Just nature means that there is no choice that God makes about what to do with sin. It just is the way it is because it is part of God's unchangeable nature.
Regarding hell, you missed the sentence "Weeping and gnashing of teeth" are metaphors to the pain caused by complete separation from God." The description of such a condition in the Bible is not at all pleasant. Also, it seems it might be a stretch to imagine that an immaterial soul can communicate with other immaterial souls--so I wouldn't count on "kicking back with atheists".
So, you'll just be floating around heaven without communicating too? Sounds a lot like hell.
Except there are dozens of passages that talk about being given new bodies that do not have the failings of our current one. https://www.gotquestions.org/look-like-in-Heaven.html
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 28, 2017 at 12:26 pm
And just because I find it alluring to boink guilt ridden gay Catholic (and other religious stripes) mens, it doesn't preclude me from acknowledging their Christian upbringing has clearly damaged them psychologically in regards to their innate sexuality.
So, in those cases, Christian parents do in fact abuse their children.
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 28, 2017 at 12:42 pm
(November 28, 2017 at 2:53 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: (November 27, 2017 at 3:52 pm)ƵenKlassen Wrote: Ha! It's funny how [b]Bow Before Zeus changed this post's title from:[/b]
[b]"Christian Parents Abuse their Children" to "Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?"
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No, the mods did that. I would never ameliorate the truth to appease the xtians. Where would we stop in that case? Would we have to recant the fact of evolution?
Oh so you admit that you do believe Christian parents abuse their kids. Good. I knew you did, but it seems at least part of the reason you were given a break was because you shortly followed that title with "this is Dawkins assertion, not mine", which made staff think you didn't actually hold that position. Glad you cleared that up for everyone else.
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 28, 2017 at 1:07 pm
(November 28, 2017 at 12:42 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 28, 2017 at 2:53 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: No, the mods did that. I would never ameliorate the truth to appease the xtians. Where would we stop in that case? Would we have to recant the fact of evolution?
Oh so you admit that you do believe Christian parents abuse their kids. Good. I knew you did, but it seems at least part of the reason you were given a break was because you shortly followed that title with "this is Dawkins assertion, not mine", which made staff think you didn't actually hold that position. Glad you cleared that up for everyone else.
Child abuse has no respect for petty denominational spats. Christians do it, muslims do it, atheists do it, it occurs in every creed and no creed.
In every case, regardless of whatever religion, such activities is one of the few things that would rouse me to the point of violence. Such perpetrators should, in my view, be hung, drawn, castrated and neutered. One would have to be an evil nutjob to accept such evil behaviour or to cover it up and facilitate it, right?
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 29, 2017 at 2:04 am
(November 28, 2017 at 12:42 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 28, 2017 at 2:53 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: No, the mods did that. I would never ameliorate the truth to appease the xtians. Where would we stop in that case? Would we have to recant the fact of evolution?
Oh so you admit that you do believe Christian parents abuse their kids. Good. I knew you did, but it seems at least part of the reason you were given a break was because you shortly followed that title with "this is Dawkins assertion, not mine", which made staff think you didn't actually hold that position. Glad you cleared that up for everyone else.
I don't believe I have been "given a break". I have posted a statement made by Richard Dawkins as stated in my OP. I posted it because I agree with the statement. I don't agree with everything that Richard states but I do agree with him on a great deal. One of those is to not sugar-coat the truth no matter how "offended" some sections of the community may get. If you find it offensive, then don't do it! Then I won't have an argument to stand on.
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 29, 2017 at 5:31 am
(November 28, 2017 at 11:52 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (November 28, 2017 at 11:47 am)Shell B Wrote: Of course it is. It's classic burden of evidence. Evolution is provable, so bad example?
And many theist are going to say the same. Although I certainly wouldn't use the word prove in either case.
Except, objectively speaking, there are no evidence for God.
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RE: Do Christian Parents Abuse their Children?
November 29, 2017 at 12:33 pm
(November 28, 2017 at 11:54 am)SteveII Wrote: (November 28, 2017 at 11:47 am)Shell B Wrote:
So, you'll just be floating around heaven without communicating too? Sounds a lot like hell.
Except there are dozens of passages that talk about being given new bodies that do not have the failings of our current one. https://www.gotquestions.org/look-like-in-Heaven.html
So, we do get new bodies so we can kick it with our atheist homies? Which is it, dude? And, if we don't get bodies in hell, what's the big deal? We're just without god? We've been that for our whole lives. Hasn't bothered me any.
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