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[Banned]

Hi and welcome to the forum!

Hello,

I was raised in the Seventh Day Adventist church, and although I am not worthy to be called one, I cannot deny what I have learned from their resources. 

I am familiar with all of their doctrines, and I would like to say that they are unique to the rest of Christendom, despite the amalgamation of many of their sectors into common religions.

I'm not familiar with your religion so I'm curious, what's the difference between Seventh Day Adventists and other Christian sects, aside from the day of the week that you choose to meet?

Also, why does it matter what day you meet on in the first place?

It may matter to some people what day is to be kept holy.

The Catholic church is quite upfront about its standing on this issue - it claims that the church or pope has the God given authority to make or change the rules, and it does not say that the Sabbath of the Bible is Sunday. 
The view of Sunday sacredness is common with the rest of Christendom, but the Catholic church has called them on it. Because the Protestants said that they stood by the Bible, and so the Catholic church refuted their claim on the basis of the writings of the Bible which uphold the 7th day Sabbath.

The RCC then turned on the Protestants and said that their "reformation" was "nothing more than a rebellion," to which they rescinded and gave their allegiance to the Pope. 
Of course they did not have to.

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That's about right, the 7th day is called "Sabado" or Shabbat, Sabbath etc in many different languages. Sunday, or the venerable day of the Sun god was adopted by the world church, or Catholic church, and has remained in place ever since. The Christian world kept the 7th day, until Sunday became compulsory by the end of the fourth century.
It was initially a political move by the Roman emperor, who became the Bishop of Rome, to get the votes of both the Pagan and Christian majorities.

So... what else is there to those SDAs, besides celebrating stuff on Saturday instead of Sunday?

Nearly every doctrine is different. There are people in the SDA organisation who have worked hard to hide or remove those obvious differences, by ensuing a watered down or fake version for each point. And over the past 120 years they have apparently succeeded in weakening and dividing the church, and creating a more pliable and blended church.

The first and foremost subject is whether the Son of God, was God and became fully human. There are a few different degrees on this as expected.
The RCC church teaches the immaculate conception, the apostate Protestants teach that he had "holy flesh" and was not fully human like us. The Bible teaches that he took on our weakened and easily tempted human nature, and overcame every obstacle, by the same means available to ordinary human beings.

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Welcome, Starhunter, to our little band of heathens

Some who are quite religious...by profession.

[pocaracas]

So... what else is there to those SDAs, besides celebrating stuff on Saturday instead of Sunday?

Nearly every doctrine is different. There are people in the SDA organisation who have worked hard to hide or remove those obvious differences, by ensuing a watered down or fake version for each point. And over the past 120 years they have apparently succeeded in weakening and dividing the church, and creating a more pliable and blended church.

The first and foremost subject is whether the Son of God, was God and became fully human. There are a few different degrees on this as expected.
The RCC church teaches the immaculate conception, the apostate Protestants teach that he had "holy flesh" and was not fully human like us. The Bible teaches that he took on our weakened and easily tempted human nature, and overcame every obstacle, by the same means available to ordinary human beings.

Everything is different, but it revolves around the same guy, JC, right?

Where have I seen this, before?...

[Mr.Obvious]

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Welcome, Starhunter, to our little band of heathens

Some who are quite religious...by profession.

Well, everyone is a heathen to some.

[chorlton]

at anytime feel free to throw in some evidence for the sky wizard claim
eveyrthing you, they, he, she, it says afterwards means nothing more than a psychotic dream of junky to me

[Ravenshire]

Welcome, from a former SDA church member.

[shadow]

Hi and welcome to the forum!


I'm not familiar with your religion so I'm curious, what's the difference between Seventh Day Adventists and other Christian sects, aside from the day of the week that you choose to meet?

Also, why does it matter what day you meet on in the first place?

It may matter to some people what day is to be kept holy.

The Catholic church is quite upfront about its standing on this issue - it claims that the church or pope has the God given authority to make or change the rules, and it does not say that the Sabbath of the Bible is Sunday.

So what is a Sabbath then (I've always been completely nonreligious so I'm not familiar with any of this, to me it seems kind of arbitrary). Wouldn't you want to keep every day holy if it makes a difference? I personally think it's pretty obvious that days of the week are set by humans to be a convenient cycle, and I've never considered them special or observed any difference between them that hasn't been invented by humans.

[Whateverist]

hello & welcome
I have to be nice in this section....

i will unapologetically & repeatedly demand evidence for every claim made involving magical sky wizards
i believe nothing & have no faith in anything. i simply know or don't.
see below

I on the other hand have a great deal of faith in a great many things. God just doesn't happen to be one of them. I think religious people personify 'God' way too much. They also are quick to assume authoritative sources such as the bible are correct for their own convenience and comfort. Whatever else 'god' may be, it is a mystery. To understand why prayer and reverence give people comfort I think it is better to assume that the 'Other' that is beseeched is as much the product of ones own psyche as is the mystery of ones own identity.

Though I place a great of value in knowledge, I recognize the limitations of reason and acknowledge that I take on faith a great many things. To do otherwise would be to live a life of minimal and restricted humanity. I'm just not drinking anyone's koolaid.

Hi and welcome to the forum!


I'm not familiar with your religion so I'm curious, what's the difference between Seventh Day Adventists and other Christian sects, aside from the day of the week that you choose to meet?

Also, why does it matter what day you meet on in the first place?

It may matter to some people what day is to be kept holy.

I'd be curious to know what keeping a day holy exactly means to you. Also, why should some days get less holy regard than others?

But welcome to the forums. I like your point of view already and hope you find enough of interest to stick around.

[chorlton]

hello & welcome
I have to be nice in this section....

i will unapologetically & repeatedly demand evidence for every claim made involving magical sky wizards
i believe nothing & have no faith in anything. i simply know or don't.
see below

I on the other hand have a great deal of faith in a great many things.  God just doesn't happen to be one of them.  I think religious people personify 'God' way too much.  They also are quick to assume authoritative sources such as the bible are correct for their own convenience and comfort.  Whatever else 'god' may be, it is a mystery.  To understand why prayer and reverence give people comfort I think it is better to assume that the 'Other' that is beseeched is as much the product of ones own psyche as is the mystery of ones own identity.

Though I place a great of value in knowledge, I recognize the limitations of reason and acknowledge that I take on faith a great many things.  To do otherwise would be to live a life of minimal and restricted humanity.  I'm just not drinking anyone's koolaid.

It may matter to some people what day is to be kept holy.

I'd be curious to know what keeping a day holy exactly means to you.  Also, why should some days get less holy regard than others?  

But welcome to the forums.  I like your point of view already and hope you find enough of interest to stick around.

you know or you don't

faith doesn't play a part & shouldn't even be a word

matt dillahunty covered this very well in a debate when asked if he had faith the sun will come up tomorrow.
whilst there is no way to know for sure its rational to use experience or repeatable events to "know" making it knowledge not faith

can you give an example of what you think you have "faith" in v know or don't ?
I cant think of anything for myself tbh

[Whateverist]

I on the other hand have a great deal of faith in a great many things.  God just doesn't happen to be one of them.  I think religious people personify 'God' way too much.  They also are quick to assume authoritative sources such as the bible are correct for their own convenience and comfort.  Whatever else 'god' may be, it is a mystery.  To understand why prayer and reverence give people comfort I think it is better to assume that the 'Other' that is beseeched is as much the product of ones own psyche as is the mystery of ones own identity.

Though I place a great of value in knowledge, I recognize the limitations of reason and acknowledge that I take on faith a great many things.  To do otherwise would be to live a life of minimal and restricted humanity.  I'm just not drinking anyone's koolaid.




I'd be curious to know what keeping a day holy exactly means to you.  Also, why should some days get less holy regard than others?  

But welcome to the forums.  I like your point of view already and hope you find enough of interest to stick around.

you know or you don't

faith doesn't play a part & shouldn't even be a word

matt dillahunty covered this very well in a debate when asked if he had faith the sun will come up tomorrow.
whilst there is no way to know for sure its rational to use experience or repeatable events to "know" making it knowledge not faith

can you give an example of what you think you have "faith" in v know or don't ?
I cant think of anything for myself tbh

Easily.  I have faith that my aesthetic choices will be good.  I have faith that I will come to see a way to a mathematical solution which is not at all apparent to me to begin with.  I have faith that I am known and appreciated by my wife.  I have faith that I know her truly and that my feelings for her are important.  This is trivial really.  Of course we all rely and act on a great many things which we do not first justify by reason, and some of which we cannot do so.

[Ravenshire]

So... what else is there to those SDAs, besides celebrating stuff on Saturday instead of Sunday?

The SDA church essentially cherry picks some of the old testament laws, this one's all the other claim were put away with the new covenant, and adhere to them while disregarding others. They won't partake of "unclean" meats, and many are vegetarians. They hold the seventh day as a a holy day of rest, doing no work nor business. But, they don't have any problem with mixed fiber fabrics... Those are, of course, just a few examples. Essentially, Seventh Day Adventist is Christianity according to Ellen G. White.