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Should not vaccinating your child be a criminal offence?
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RE: Should not vaccinating your child be a criminal offence?
(November 30, 2017 at 6:54 am)Wololo Wrote:
(November 30, 2017 at 5:23 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: *bold mine

How the heck is anyone supposed to prove that a particular unvaccinated child did spread it to another particular child? Besides, once the child is dead, no amount of punishment  is gonna bring them back, so we need laws to prevent that outcome beforehand. Though, laws won't be enough to solve this, only real education can be a cure for idiocy. It would be a good first step for America to fix its homeschooling system. Sure children sometimes do have circumstances that require homeschooling, but the system is way too relaxed. Laws should ensure that the parents or whoever is responsible for teaching the kid does indeed have the requisite educational qualifications themselves and the progress should also be monitored. Without education, we get the current idiot population who are willing to believe in all sorts of nonsense

If another child in the same school dies of a disease another child is unvaccinated for, that's proof enough for me. And if there are more unvaccinated children we can apply joint and several liability.

So it shotgun of liability if anything bad happens. What are your thoughts on protecting the instigators even if they do not have children of their own?

(November 30, 2017 at 9:47 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Enough kids in the US have died from neglect in the name of religion already. We don't need to start saying it's ok to refuse to vaccinate because your religion says so.

There have been many people who are for mandatory vaccines that have no problem with opting out for religious reasons. I don't see the difference.
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RE: Should not vaccinating your child be a criminal offence?
(November 30, 2017 at 10:29 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Anyone who says "no" will be eaten by the wolves, so ill step out... Smile

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#23
RE: Should not vaccinating your child be a criminal offence?
(November 30, 2017 at 9:47 pm)Coveny Wrote:
(November 30, 2017 at 9:47 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Enough kids in the US have died from neglect in the name of religion already. We don't need to start saying it's ok to refuse to vaccinate because your religion says so.

There have been many people who are for mandatory vaccines that have no problem with opting out for religious reasons. I don't see the difference.

It just makes me think of kids who die because their parents refuse to give them medical care when they get sick, because religion. Trying to pray the illness away, while their child dies.
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#24
RE: Should not vaccinating your child be a criminal offence?
No, it's exactly the same thing. They chose not to get their kids vaccinated, so they don't get to go to public schools. And even so they STILL reap the benefits of public education (which I notice you ignored). They can CHOOSE to get vaccinated, just like I can CHOOSE to drive on that road. I can't use HOV lanes unless I have so many passengers in my car.
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RE: Should not vaccinating your child be a criminal offence?
(November 30, 2017 at 10:04 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(November 30, 2017 at 9:47 pm)Coveny Wrote: There have been many people who are for mandatory vaccines that have no problem with opting out for religious reasons. I don't see the difference.

It just makes me think of kids who die because their parents refuse to give them medical care when they get sick, because religion. Trying to pray the illness away, while their child dies.

And in some cases VERY preventable deaths. (insulin comes to mind)

(November 30, 2017 at 10:35 pm)Cecelia Wrote: No, it's exactly the same thing.  They chose not to get their kids vaccinated, so they don't get to go to public schools.  And even so they STILL reap the benefits of public education (which I notice you ignored).  They can CHOOSE to get vaccinated, just like I can CHOOSE to drive on that road.  I can't use HOV lanes unless I have so many passengers in my car.

I didn't ignore it I responded to it. Semantically we don't agree, and just because we don't agree doesn't mean I ignored you... that's not how that works.

Let me try this analogy another way. I can use that road even if I don't buy a car, but I can't use those public schools unless I get a vaccine. The service being refused, they are choosing to use the public schools and getting told no. So NOT the same thing.
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RE: Should not vaccinating your child be a criminal offence?
No you can't.  Wandering around on a road on foot is commonly illegal. For better or for worse. In any case, that's just not how taxes work. There's no discrete portion of your specific taxes that goes to schools, for example. Your taxes go to a general fund. The general fund is allocated as seen fit. Try to track yourr dime...even when it's explicitly extracted from you as a line item...and see if you can locate it in some school. Good luck.
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RE: Should not vaccinating your child be a criminal offence?
I don't think parents should be jailed for refusing to allow their kids to be vaccinated, HOWEVER, I would revisit my opinion if/ when a huge outbreak or pandemic occurs with a disease that's preventable with a vaccine.
I do agree with penalties, though, like not allowing a child to attend school if they haven't been vaccinated. I'm glad to know that the vast majority of kids in my daughter's school have also been vaccinated. Hell, I even take my kid with me when I get my own flu shot to set an example for her to follow.

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RE: Should not vaccinating your child be a criminal offence?
(November 30, 2017 at 9:47 pm)Coveny Wrote: So it shotgun of liability if anything bad happens. What are your thoughts on protecting the instigators even if they do not have children of their own?

Hey, if you're stupid enough to not properly protect your children before they're old enough to decide to protect themselves, then you're stupid enough to have José raping your arse in jail every day for the rest of your life.
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#29
RE: Should not vaccinating your child be a criminal offence?
If or when the unvaccinated (by choice) contract the preventable disease(s) should our society be responsible for their treatment?
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RE: Should not vaccinating your child be a criminal offence?
Yes if you choose not vaccinate your kids you should go to jail . Wither it's possible you may not hurt those who can't yet be vaccinated or your child may not fall ill is irrelevant it's still  possible and a valid risk to counter. As for his road analogy that is not how taxes work .And your choice not to get vaccinated should exclude from schools if you don't like that home school them .
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