Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.

[Mystic]

As do I  and I think the primary reason behind wars is chaotic love and unbalanced unordered love, that is love not accurately in vision with God's Name and that doesn't heighten God above all else and love everyone in the truth of God's witnessing mystic link that connects us all and establishes all fabrics of relationships and who we ask thereby God the rights of one another. That is one of the wisdoms of 42:23. In that love, lies the holding on the rope of God and in the rope of God we are all connected, and if we are all connected, there will be a love between us and brotherhood that God has been trying to establish through Messengers, but we been holding on to a chaotic idol and love to an illusion and unbalanced irrational love which heightens ourselves above all others in love and importance.

"Love" is NOT an invention owned by or a patent of one religion. "Love" is not something you are forced into or submit to. Love is a species emotion, not a magical thing. 


PLEASE stop trying to claim only you know what your book says, or only you know what love is. 

Atheists feel love too, and we don't need a deity or God to feel it, nor was it handed down to our species by Allah, or Jesus or Yahweh.

You do need God to see it because he is the essence of that vision and light that knows how to value things as they are and appreciate the value of people's actions and states, the very fact you deny the very magical nature of love and it's link to God proves you wish to use God's mystic light for your interest while denying him at the same time.

And the fabrics of love of that tree of light which even Atheists rely on and that green mountain of light which even Atheists rely on for strength, is your Leader and Guide. You can say evolution created morality and there is nothing mystical about goodness and love, but in all that, your soul resides no where but in God's vision which is unseen and no knows but him, and the closest vision to those deeds of yours is the witness and guide of time who intercedes by God's permission and is the greatest mercy of God to humanity.

May God make us appreciate his greatest gift which all others gifts revolve around in purpose.

[Minimalist]

God does leave people to themselves when they become allergic to guidance and inspiration, in that trial, people have to battle without guidance of God, and that is a hard trial, and God helps them but also leaves them to their devils and selves.

You can rely on yourself all the way to your destruction or rely on God and his guidance and his guides and books and the explanation of his navigating captains to justice. Up to you.

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No we don't.  It is now the 21st century.  Why don't you join in and consign that silly book of bullshit to the dustbin of history.

Nuking two cities is justified in this century, no century has been so far removed from goodness and wisdom than this century.

That was in the 20th century, dumbass.

[Mystic]

That was in the 20th century, dumbass.

Yeah it shocked the world then, but now it's like taking candy from a baby type thing, no big deal.

[WinterHold]

OP; you don't have any shame or leftovers of dignity ?
Look at the comments. Nobody cares, even readers don't care.

You are repeating the same broken record, doing the same gymnastic jumps around arguments; copy-paste walls of text in one sad cycle.
Are you a computer? Or just a very sad Shiite missionary ?

God damn it; no wonder Muslims are getting their asses kicked worldwide. If we gave you an excuse of being a part of the "weak" sect; majorities from bigger sects are as sad as you.

Empty brains, walls of text, gymnastic jumps around counter-argument, and moreover: no shame waging sectarian crusades, and when people begin to question or discuss, messed up words about love and mental illness get vomited out of your mouth.

Instead; give the members some pictures and articles about the crimes of your cult; would ya ? xD
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Hey Atlass33, I DO blaspheme him and you and Catholic Lady and I will go after Buddhists and Hindus, AND EVEN other atheists on different subjects if I think they got it wrong.

MK makes me want to pull my hair out, but that is just saying his logic irritates me. But again, most humans get sold the religions of their parents BEFORE they can formulate adult critical thinking skills, so it is not just him, and not just Islam.

But you are right, I am not taking his arguments seriously. But I also don't take claims of magic babies with super powers with no second set of DNA seriously either.

I DO however get concerned when Christians or Muslims or Jews use politics to justify murdering each other based on religion. 

Atlass33 every religion WORLDWIDE has been used as a weapon to justify harm to others. It isn't that you can force any out of existence you cant, but Islam didn't invent human cruelty either. I have seen Christians and Jews also use religion to do horrible things to their fellow human beings.

Ah, at least there is a chance of debate.
Once a religion crosses that line, and turns to "forced compulsive converting" of others; the religion is not a religion anymore; it's a "a death sentence".

We can argue about God a lot, but none of us has the right to compulsively convert the other part.
The twelver Shiite cult is built on hating the Sunni component, for that they are a very very very big problem.

As long as there are Sunnies and Shiites, there will always be compulsion, terrorist, ISIS-like groups...etc.

Right now; Saudi Arabia and Iran are boiling with rumors of war. Sunni and Shiite propaganda is just filling the air.
The sectarian war began in Syria.
The sectarian war began in Yemen.

All because some assholes fooled some dicks with similar posts.

[Brian37]

That was in the 20th century, dumbass.

Yeah it shocked the world then, but now it's like taking candy from a baby type thing, no big deal.

`How about YOU worry about the Islaimic countries with Nukes, and let us worry about our orange asshole with his tiny hands in his dick measuring contest with Kim Jong Un, but don't sit there and act like Islamic Theocracies don't have them, they do. So does Israel and Russian Orthodox Christian Russia.

There is no "victory" for any side in a nuclear war.

[Mystic]

I am primarily concerned with the perverse interpretations of Islam, as you can tell, and realize Muslims Shiites and Sunnis both, are people who are lead by people who aren't even aware of proofs of God elaborated and emphasized in the Quran let alone capable of representing the code of the path.

You don't know the degree I have tried to free people from the shackles of the blind leading the blind and abandoning of the task of learning and teaching and judging by what God has brought down and revealed.

There is no reason for me to have more hope to people clinging to banners of Islam than people clinging to banners of intellectualism and sincere approach to truth as Atheists cling to.

If I am falsely following a false religion, than dialogue will help me realize it, and if I am following the truth, then it will help me spread it.

[Minimalist]

All religions are false, dumbass.

[Brian37]

Hey Atlass33, I DO blaspheme him and you and Catholic Lady and I will go after Buddhists and Hindus, AND EVEN other atheists on different subjects if I think they got it wrong.

MK makes me want to pull my hair out, but that is just saying his logic irritates me. But again, most humans get sold the religions of their parents BEFORE they can formulate adult critical thinking skills, so it is not just him, and not just Islam.

But you are right, I am not taking his arguments seriously. But I also don't take claims of magic babies with super powers with no second set of DNA seriously either.

I DO however get concerned when Christians or Muslims or Jews use politics to justify murdering each other based on religion. 

Atlass33 every religion WORLDWIDE has been used as a weapon to justify harm to others. It isn't that you can force any out of existence you cant, but Islam didn't invent human cruelty either. I have seen Christians and Jews also use religion to do horrible things to their fellow human beings.

Ah, at least there is a chance of debate.
Once a religion crosses that line, and turns to "forced compulsive converting" of others; the religion is not a religion anymore; it's a "a death sentence".

We can argue about God a lot, but none of us has the right to compulsively convert the other part.
The twelver Shiite cult is built on hating the Sunni component, for that they are a very very very big problem.

As long as there are Sunnies and Shiites, there will always be compulsion, terrorist, ISIS-like groups...etc.

Right now; Saudi Arabia and Iran are boiling with rumors of war. Sunni and Shiite propaganda is just filling the air.
The sectarian war began in Syria.
The sectarian war began in Yemen.

All because some assholes fooled some dicks with similar posts.

Atlass33, I am extremely thankful that guys like you challenge and question that part of the world, and you are right, by comparison, Islam in that part of the world is still living in it's own dark ages. It has yet to have it's own Jefferson and Paine. I think with your voice and growing voices, eventually that part of the world can get there.

All I am saying in all that, and I say this to our atheist here and our liberal theists here as well, sure, question and especially condemn religiously justified violence or forced conversion. I TOTALLY AGREE.

BUT, it still remains Islam did not invent human cruelty. Our species behaviors are in us, not in our labels, not in our holy writings, not in our clubs we call religions. Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is in US, in our genes, in our evolution.

If anything you say or do gets another fellow human to consider backing off the idea of using religiously justified violence, I AM ALL FOR IT.

[drfuzzy]

Most of the world would say that what you are claiming is falsehood.  

Is this really true? We'll see. Most people haven't been exposed to my ideas. 

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I believe however God is best at explaining but we need his appointed guides as helpers to understand, and we need to help them manifest their understanding, and we all have to express the truth of God's reasoning in our own words with expression, and that will help people understand his revelations.

At any rate, if my ideas are falsehood, may they die and perish, and if they are truth, may the truth prevail and may I help in that regard. Amen Lord of the Worlds.

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Wow. The delusion of a cult leader. Ego bigger than the planet. YOUR ideas are right because you have the right interpretation and GAWD speaks to YOU, and now you need 
followers to hang on to your every lie.  Holy Shit.

We keep telling you that any deity that needs a human being to get a message across isn't worth a second's attention, much less worship.  You believe that it made the universe, 
with billions and billions of galaxies, but you actually think it is so hideously incompetent that it needs YOUR BRAIN.  

And you come here, to people who don't believe any deities or spiritual entities exist, to bore us with verses from your idiot book and your musings about what you think
everybody should think they mean, because what?  -- Allah is going to magically change our minds and somebody here will start thinking that you are brilliant?

RIGHT. Uh-huh.    You're in desperate need of REAL science books and possibly a decent therapist.

[Mystic]

All religions are false, dumbass.

Official religions yes and all official interpretations, but the truth and God and his guidance still remains, it's just hidden and not manifest in this age.

Worse interpretation of the Bible and Quran is that of the gathering of humans and jinn who the very killers of the Prophets of old, who will try claim Mohammad to be one of them and after oppressing and killing Prophets will claim them to be among their gathering and produce the anti-appointed by God Prophet and I hope the dark Prophecies of the Deceiving one among the deceivers, will not come to pass, and that his kingdom if it occurs will be short lived, and I await nothing but compassion and mercy from God, and hope we can shape destiny with a better track than the track we are heading now.

And I preparing myself to speak eloquently and write and presenting truth and take a side of truthful leaders and not the deceivers.