Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.

[LadyForCamus]

No need to be bothered wading through his text walls of meaningless blather.  I can paraphrase every attempt at an argument made by MK right here:

1. If objective value exists, then Allah exists ( non-sequitur)

2. Objective value exists (unevidenced/unsupported assertion)

3. Therefore, god exists (wtf?!)

And then, when we object to premise 2., and ask him to demonstrate its truth, he shoots back with, “you guys just don’t want to believe, but deep down you know I’m right.”

Epic fail on every level, 100% of the time.

I know you're just paraphrasing here, but I remember his arguments being way too convoluted that to paraphrase is to do them injustice.

It is true that I cannot capture that certain...MK-esque flavor, can I?  😛

[Edwardo Piet]

LFC is awesome-smart.

And smart-awesome.

She's smoresome.

She's also smart in more than one sense of the word.

[Brian37]

The Qur'an is a long super boring book with such loose structure and over emphasis on metaphor and poetry that it can mean whatever you want it to.

That being said, I do think you can glean some of how Muhammad (piss be upon him) interpreted it based on his own actions in his life, in which case ISIS seems like the closest to how he lived his life.

Um no, that would be Trump.

[DodosAreDead]

I would rather watch a snail cross the Sahara than try and interpret a friggin book that was written by someone hoping to (and succeeding to) control people.

Oh my Thor, you just may have inspired a new poem. LOVE THE analogy. SOOOOOO true.....

I really wish theists would remember what we really hate isn't their rights, but bad arguments based on old mythology in defense of old mythology.

I agree. Been at this online since 01 And yea, "paint drying" is the common one, but I like this better, it is far more epic.

Loved your poem.   

You guys just made 10 new pages in a day ohmagerd. 

Personally, one of my main problems with theists is just how condescending they are. "You're lost because you don't let yourself believe the truth" "One day you'll see the light" "I know the truth, and it is your duty to believe, not gods duty to prove to you." blah blah bleh. You, MK, are a fine specimen of Le Condescending Theist.

[Brian37]

You are closing your eyes Brian and you think it's mature.  It's sad so many of you demand evidence but when any Theists begins to present evidence for God, my God, does the hate become clear.

You really think there are absolutely ZERO Christians who would argue both you and I have our eyes closed and that we should become Christians? You can't be that dense.

Christians think they got it right. Jews think they got it right. Buddhist think they got it right. Hindus think they got it right.

SO WHAT.

[WinterHold]

The Mystic Knight / Atlas Rivalry:

Not an accurate description.

I pick my rivals more wisely. MK speaks in the name of an institution; my intentions are explicit and official. The Shiite Twelver instituion corrupts the Middle East, and just like the Wahhabi institution it sends Bacteria like MK to forums, social media sites...etc, with the intention of spreading the religion of choice.

Actually it is "YOU" who give MK attention, not me. You believe him and enlarge his account.

Don't you see the pattern in his posts? That picture applies to him trying to sell propaganda to atheists; not me.

[Brian37]

Oh my Thor, you just may have inspired a new poem. LOVE THE analogy. SOOOOOO true.....

I really wish theists would remember what we really hate isn't their rights, but bad arguments based on old mythology in defense of old mythology.

I agree. Been at this online since 01 And yea, "paint drying" is the common one, but I like this better, it is far more epic.

Loved your poem.   

You guys just made 10 new pages in a day ohmagerd. 

Personally, one of my main problems with theists is just how condescending they are. "You're lost because you don't let yourself believe the truth" "One day you'll see the light" "I know the truth, and it is your duty to believe, not gods duty to prove to you." blah blah bleh. You, MK, are a fine specimen of Le Condescending Theist.

Condescending? Well, yes and no.

I love the empathy of Martin Luther King Jr, and the empathy of Ann Frank, and the empathy of Malala. I do think most humans are good, or think they are trying to do good. I simply do not agree with the logic that our species behaviors are guided by some magical divine world above. 

But yea, there are assholes in every religion whom think they are self entitled and that does irritate the shit out of me.

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The Mystic Knight / Atlas Rivalry:

Not an accurate description.

I pick my rivals more wisely. MK speaks in the name of an institution; my intentions are explicit and official. The Shiite Twelver instituion corrupts the Middle East, and just like the Wahhabi institution it sends Bacteria like MK to forums, social media sites...etc, with the intention of spreading the religion of choice.

Actually it is "YOU" who give MK attention, not me. You believe him and enlarge his account.

Don't you see the pattern in his posts? That picture applies to him trying to sell propaganda to atheists; not me.

Atlass33

How many times have you heard me say, I do appreciate your calling out those in your ranks using religion to call for violence. YES the world needs more voices like yours. Every religion needs that, Christians and Jews and Hindus not just Muslims.

Religion in all it's forums is propaganda. NO that is not to say every religious person seeks dominance over others or to oppress others. I am NOT claiming that.

I am saying that most humans get sold a product BEFORE they can kick the tires. The Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist are going to grow up buying what their parents sell them most of the time. Humans don't like their social norms upset, and as babies and kids, we are protected by our parents, and since we don't have adults brains at birth we trust them, and that bond forms groups and those groups form local, regional and national communities. 

Point is, every religion has something to sell. It isn't that every religious individual is evil or bad. It is to say humans form groups, and CAN and do often form their safety in numbers on false perceptions.

Religion is a horrible way to conduct national or global diplomacy. Every umbrella label has sub sects that via for attention and power in politics. It is more pronounced between entire religions. It is why you know far too well the divisions between Sunni and Shiite Muslims. But, it is also why you cant get Obama voting Baptists and Trump voting Baptists to agree. It is why Ireland has had it's history of violence between Catholics and Protestant Christians, which is currently not at peace, but at an uneasy truce. It is why a Tibet Buddhist will not agree politically with a Chinese Buddhist, or why a Japanese Shinto Buddhist wont agree with a Chinese Buddhist.

I also repeatedly and consistently remind everyone YOU CANNOT end religion by force. Our species is still the same species. But humans can get our priorities in order, and put our common needs above religion and put our differences on the back burner.

[Mystic]

Here's the thing, though, MK.

You say the knowledge is too complicated for us.  Then why send us the knowledge in the first place?

So we learn from the clearest basics truths therein and build up and build up and understand the wisdom more and more but yes the book has unlimited knowledge, it connects from the lowest to the highest.

[Brian37]

Here's the thing, though, MK.

You say the knowledge is too complicated for us.  Then why send us the knowledge in the first place?

So we learn from the clearest basics truths therein and build up and build up and understand the wisdom more and more but yes the book has unlimited knowledge, it connects from the lowest to the highest.

Platitudes are good for jerking off, but after you masturbate you still have to get out of bed and deal with reality.

[chimp3]

The Mystic Knight / Atlas Rivalry:

Not an accurate description.

Two officers on board the fictional battle ship called Islam pretending they are having a rocky ride? I think it fits.