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RE: Why keep a vice president around, who was appointed by someone worthy of impeachment?
December 8, 2017 at 2:43 pm
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Pence is not a reason to not impeach Trump. If we look at impeachment that way it loses all credibility and purpose. The point of impeachment is to try the President for high crimes and misdemeanors, with the possible outcome of removal from office. Impeachment should NEVER be used or avoided for political reasons.
If Mueller concludes that Trump colluded but Pence didn't, as a country we must uphold the constitution, impeach Trump, and accept President Pence. With any luck Congress won't be under Republican control at that point and it will limit his power anyway.
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RE: Why keep a vice president around, who was appointed by someone worthy of impeachment?
December 8, 2017 at 2:45 pm
(December 8, 2017 at 2:43 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Pence is not a reason to not impeach Trump. If we look at impeachment that way it loses all credibility and purpose. The point of impeachment is to try the President for high crimes and misdemeanors, with the possible outcome of removal from office. Impeachment should NEVER be used or avoided for political reasons.
If Mueller concludes that Trump colluded but Pence didn't, as a country we must uphold the constitution, impeach Trump, and accept President Pence. With any luck Congress won't be under Republican control at that point and it will limit his power anyway.
Looking at 2019 after the GoP tax bill blood is in the water the voters both democrat and republican pissed.
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RE: Why keep a vice president around, who was appointed by someone worthy of impeachment?
December 8, 2017 at 3:26 pm
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(December 8, 2017 at 2:43 pm)Tiberius Wrote: If Mueller concludes that Trump colluded but Pence didn't,
-already unlikely. Pence has already made statements (and has been revising statements with every new release of information - same as the rest) that don't square with testimony and with the recent guilty pleas. He's already implicated himself in any potential obstruction schemes even if he didn't commit the initial offenses.
I think that Pence is going to skate, regardless...however..simply for the fact that massacring an entire administration doesn't look good no matter what they've done. It's a political impossibility and a practical mistake.
A muzzled GOP/Pence is the more likely outcome of any impeachment...-if- there's an impeachment. That's what we've been reduced to, lol. #MAGA
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RE: Why keep a vice president around, who was appointed by someone worthy of impeachment?
December 8, 2017 at 7:05 pm
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If I am not mistaken, he has a democratic mandate from the American people which is independent from Trump. Unlike a department secretary, he wasn't appointed by Trump but voted into office by the American people, standing on his own, nor does he in principle answer to him. So.it seems clear to me why he wouldn't be removed *by default* when the president is impeached and found guilty.
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RE: Why keep a vice president around, who was appointed by someone worthy of impeachment?
December 8, 2017 at 9:47 pm
Pence was duly elected by constitutional procedure.
Changing rules afterwards is third world shit hole governance tactic and I'd raise quite a stink about it.
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RE: Why keep a vice president around, who was appointed by someone worthy of impeachment?
December 8, 2017 at 11:20 pm
Quote:Impeachment should NEVER be used or avoided for political reasons.
Except it is always used or avoided for political purposes.
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RE: Why keep a vice president around, who was appointed by someone worthy of impeachment?
December 9, 2017 at 4:09 pm
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(December 8, 2017 at 12:24 am)Chad32 Wrote: The main argument I hear against impeaching someone like Trump, or Bush, or whatever, is that then we have whatever dipshit this guy picked as a vice president. Why? Why not the other major candidate of the rival party? Pence could be worse than Trump, mainly because he won't feel the need to go on a tweet storm, or have propaganda documents delivered to him every day to make himself feel better. But why keep him around at all? Why wouldn't he be promptly impeached as well?
Pence if he got in because of impeachment/retirement would most likely end up like Gerald Ford, a man so tainted by association with his predecessor and with no true base of his own that he ended up being an empty suit and lost heavily the next election.
(December 8, 2017 at 12:46 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: There's that, and the VP was duly elected. Yes, when you vote for president, you're casting a vote for two offices. I think each should be elected separately, or throw the primaries open, then make the first runner up vice president.
That was actually the original system. It did not work, at all.
PS may I also point out that Pence as governor was as useless as a paper umbrella in a hurricane. In a state where the republitraitors have no opposition.
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