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Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
#11
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
(December 19, 2017 at 2:24 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(December 18, 2017 at 6:31 pm)MellisaClarke Wrote: Okay, so now I'd distanced myself from the church for a few months now.

Three months ago, my partner asked me if I had faith in the air we breath.

Of course my answer was no, because it is obviously and irrefutably there.

You could guess what that person asked next! 

Next question was: "So why do you have faith in God?"

Thinking about that question for several weeks now, and I'm having a strange feeling. 

Am I overthinking because I can't think of a strong answer? What am I missing?

 What you are missing is the Holy Spirit trying to show you the truth.

GC

Same to you.
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#12
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
(December 18, 2017 at 6:31 pm)MellisaClarke Wrote: Next question was: "So why do you have faith in God?"

Thinking about that question for several weeks now, and I'm having a strange feeling. 

Am I overthinking because I can't think of a strong answer? What am I missing?

Maybe reflect on things. What is  the strange feeling about? Try to put the feeling into words. Figure out what your concerns really are. Maybe talk it over with someone who respects your decision either way. Feelings are a good indicators. They point you to potential problems/desires. But IMO, you shouldn't make a choice based on a feelings alone. Then again, it isn't my choice.
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#13
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
(December 18, 2017 at 6:31 pm)MellisaClarke Wrote: Three months ago, my partner asked me if I had faith in the air we breath.

Of course my answer was no, because it is obviously and irrefutably there.

You could guess what that person asked next! 

Next question was: "So why do you have faith in God?"

You don't need faith in the air we breath because you can test for it. You will very quickly know if it isn't there.

You need faith to maintain a belief in a god because there is no way to show that it exists.

The trouble is that if you rely on faith to maintain a belief then you have no way of determining if you are wrong.
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#14
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
(December 18, 2017 at 6:31 pm)MellisaClarke Wrote: Okay, so now I'd distanced myself from the church for a few months now.

Three months ago, my partner asked me if I had faith in the air we breath.

Of course my answer was no, because it is obviously and irrefutably there.

You could guess what that person asked next! 

Next question was: "So why do you have faith in God?"

Thinking about that question for several weeks now, and I'm having a strange feeling. 

Am I overthinking because I can't think of a strong answer? What am I missing?

From my own experience I found faith in god a very high maintenance religion.

Like you I had many doubts, the thing is I really wanted to believe so I made intellectual compromise after compromise, indeed I was very good at it. 

I think people go a few ways they either become to accept that their religion does not make sense, but they go ahead and find ways to make it work, to believe despite deep down thinking perhaps there is no god, usually wrapped up in a feeling of unworthiness,  if only I pray more, Give more, ask harder for the holy spirit to lead the way.. and so it goes on always elusive, just round the corner in the next tithe or prayer.

To answer why we have doubts they not only invented god, they invented a opposer of god, satan, who they say deceives you and drags you down, and you need delivering, and with some pray and attention, affirmation you feel better... till the next time. and on and on it goes.

The answer though is simpler more eloquent , that there is no god at the other end of all this devotion. and there is no satan dragging you down.
You deductions are correct there is no god at all.

The other way people go is to become super spiritual, immerse themselves in a kind of belief absolute, they read and quote the bible all the time (because that's what it tells you to do) they give no thought for if it's correct or can be proven or not they just spew scripture like vomit, they even feel holy and godly doing so, they even get a thrill from it.  Their feelings tell them it is god speaking through them, But it isn't not really, unless of course there is a god of gobshyte.

Don't let such people steal your integrity, come to a peace in your own heart, after leaving Christianity my testimony is I have never felt more free.
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'
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#15
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
(December 18, 2017 at 6:31 pm)MellisaClarke Wrote: Okay, so now I'd distanced myself from the church for a few months now.

Three months ago, my partner asked me if I had faith in the air we breath.

Of course my answer was no, because it is obviously and irrefutably there.

You could guess what that person asked next! 

Next question was: "So why do you have faith in God?"

Thinking about that question for several weeks now, and I'm having a strange feeling. 

Am I overthinking because I can't think of a strong answer? What am I missing?

Um no, you don't have "faith" in air. We can literally demonstrate that atoms make up everything. 

If you are not willing to chalk our atmosphere up to Allah, or Yahweh, or Buddha or the Hindu creator God Bhrama , why would or should you feel the need to chalk it up to your own pet deity either?
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#16
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
(December 18, 2017 at 6:31 pm)MellisaClarke Wrote: Okay, so now I'd distanced myself from the church for a few months now.

Three months ago, my partner asked me if I had faith in the air we breath.

Of course my answer was no, because it is obviously and irrefutably there.

You could guess what that person asked next! 

Next question was: "So why do you have faith in God?"

Thinking about that question for several weeks now, and I'm having a strange feeling. 

Am I overthinking because I can't think of a strong answer? What am I missing?

I think it is a bad comparison. Faith in an inanimate object does not carry any meaning past depending on an object's physical properties. Faith in a person carries way more meaning because as a person, they can let you down, there are motives, abilities, promises, circumstances, and interaction that are all reasons/components of "trust and confidence". In addition, this is all contained in first definition below--not even touching the second definition. 

faith
fāTH/
noun

  1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
    "this restores one's faith in politicians"
    synonyms:
    trustbeliefconfidenceconvictionMore

  2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
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#17
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
Nah theists accept science when it actually depends on whether they live or die.

Greg House Wrote:You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. 'Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to get you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the street I know you look both ways.
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#18
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
A Christian might more cogently say that God is like the wind in that you can't see the wind, but you can feel it. Many claim that experiencing this feeling is how they know God is real.

Of course I'm an atheist and would point out that those Christians who take that tack are putting more weight on a feeling than it can support.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#19
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
(December 20, 2017 at 10:48 am)SteveII Wrote:
(December 18, 2017 at 6:31 pm)MellisaClarke Wrote: Okay, so now I'd distanced myself from the church for a few months now.

Three months ago, my partner asked me if I had faith in the air we breath.

Of course my answer was no, because it is obviously and irrefutably there.

You could guess what that person asked next! 

Next question was: "So why do you have faith in God?"

Thinking about that question for several weeks now, and I'm having a strange feeling. 

Am I overthinking because I can't think of a strong answer? What am I missing?

I think it is a bad comparison. Faith in an inanimate object does not carry any meaning past depending on an object's physical properties. Faith in a person carries way more meaning because as a person, they can let you down, there are motives, abilities, promises, circumstances, and interaction that all reasons/components of "trust and confidence". In addition, this is all contained in first definition below--not even touching the second definition. 

faith
fāTH/
noun

  1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
    "this restores one's faith in politicians"
    synonyms:
    trustbeliefconfidenceconvictionMore

  2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Religious "faith"= Swallow old mythology because it sounds good to you and you merely like the idea of a super hero protecting you.
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#20
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
(December 20, 2017 at 11:43 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: A Christian might more cogently say that God is like the wind in that you can't see the wind, but you can feel it. Many claim that experiencing this feeling is how they know God is real.

Of course I'm an atheist and would point out that those Christians who take that tack are putting more weight on a feeling than it can support.

That's why I constantly say it's a cumulative case. I have posted this before:

People come to the place where they are willing to believe in God/supernatural for all kinds of reasons. Most are wired with something. Some are raised that way, some have events happen in their life (bad and good things), some encounter people who's testimony is compelling, and some read and find the person/message of Christ compelling (or a combination of any of these or something else I haven't thought of).

Why is it not pure faith? Well there are good rational reasons to believe: 

1. Person of Jesus is compelling.
2. The NT describes actual events including the miracles, life, death and resurrection of Jesus
3. God works in people's lives today--changing people on the inside as well as the occurrence of miracles.
4. The natural theology arguments: 
  a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
  b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
  c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
  d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
  e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.

These are NOT the arguments, they are the conclusions of a series of arguments.

IMPORTANT: it is the cumulative case for Christianity that is rational. Atheists like to pick a component and claim--that's not convincing enough...so therefore your belief is irrational. That is simplistic and disingenuous.
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