Men's Rights Movement

[Rev. Rye]

Is there a societal reason behind that though?

Autism disproportionately affects men

Yes, but the current consensus is that autism is a neurological disorder that comes about because some genes fuck up somewhere during development. Autism does not come into being because of pressures put on men. Literally all the evidence points towards it being something you're born with. Implying autism is a men's issue is like saying colorblindness is a men's issue. Yes, it's more common in men, but it's not really something that happens because of social problems that need redress (unless you're talking about aborting babies that get tested prenatally and test positive for genetic disorders, which, as a Catholic, I highly doubt you support).

Back to the OP, I believe ideally, there would be women's rights movements and men's rights movements which complement each other and possibly put checks and balances on each other when they get too far out there. The problem is we don't live in that ideal world. We have feminism, which often has goals I can get behind, but can frequently get into some questionable territory. #believewomen is a good example; if a woman is talking about being sexually harassed or assaulted, it's usually a good bet they're telling the truth. However, people have the tendency to go overboard with this, demanding people take every account of harassment or assault as gospel truth without investigating further into it (see "A Rape on Campus" for just one example, or the outcry over Jian Ghomeshi's acquittal for another) and if you think one should investigate a claim before ruining another person's life, you're part of the problem that ensures that it keeps happening. Unfortunately, the vast majority of men's rights groups out there (sites like The Good Men Project and The Art of Manliness are the exception, to the extent that the latter counts as a rights group and not just a reconstruction of old-fashioned masculinity while minimising the worst aspects) tend to be wretched hives of scum and villainy, and even if they don't start out that way, they tend to attract the sort of audience who hates feminism and just want to see women suffer. Bring up sexual assault there, and you're far more likely to find people who believe rape is either not that big a deal, or something of a virtue. Try to bring up the issue of believing women with the sort of nuance I just tried, and you'll quickly find yourself labeled a "mangina" for even bothering to care.

[Seraphina]

Has anyone here seen a documentary called The Red Pill?

It was made by a very feminist woman who set out to document The Men's Rights Movement (expecting to criticise it), but found herself actually agreeing with them. At the end of the documentary she says she no longer calls herself a feminist and is now a supporter of Men's Rights.

Anyway, it's on Amazon Prime and is an interesting watch.

My opinion after watching it is that both men and women have certain (different) disadvantages in society, and that many feminist movements are out of line in making themselves the victims all the time and actually being against men.

Bolded mine.

Maybe I have a different perspective of feminism than her, because I always thought being a feminist meant one supported the equality of both men and women.

It is and the "MRA" movement is rubbish.
I'm tired of hearing the ill-informed explain to me what it's like for me, as a woman, to live in today's society.
I've heard and read what the MRA people have to say and it simply didn't get past my critical thinking filter. It's interesting to see who buys into it, though.

-Teresa

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Suicide, as I recall,  disproportionately affects men too.

Citation?

-Teresa

[Catholic_Lady]

Autism disproportionately affects men

You're missing my point. Autism is a neurological disorder, and unless there's a social reason for it, I don't see how it is an inequality that men face in society. Men are disproportionately taller than women on average, but that doesn't mean we should do something about it, its just biology.

Men and women are never going to be "equal" in the biological sense of the word. They should be treated equally by society though.

I mentioned it because breast cancer, which is mostly a women's thing, gets a lot of attention, funding, and support. While the more male health issues like prostate cancer and autism, dont.

[Seraphina]

You're missing my point. Autism is a neurological disorder, and unless there's a social reason for it, I don't see how it is an inequality that men face in society. Men are disproportionately taller than women on average, but that doesn't mean we should do something about it, its just biology.

Men and women are never going to be "equal" in the biological sense of the word. They should be treated equally by society though.

I mentioned it because breast cancer, which is mostly a women's thing, gets a lot of attention, funding, and support. While the more male health issues like prostate cancer and autism, dont.

And what are you doing about this?

-Teresa

[Catholic_Lady]

I mentioned it because breast cancer, which is mostly a women's thing, gets a lot of attention, funding, and support. While the more male health issues like prostate cancer and autism, dont.

And what are you doing about this?

-Teresa

I'm not doing anything. Im not the avctivist type, and our monthly charity donation is going to a different cause.

I just thought it was an interesting and valid point made by the MRA to also remember the men's health issues.

[Rev. Rye]

I mentioned it because breast cancer, which is mostly a women's thing, gets a lot of attention, funding, and support. While the more male health issues like prostate cancer and autism, dont.

And what are you doing about this?

-Teresa

And autism isn’t really a public health issue in the same way as prostate cancer is, and I say this as someone on the autism spectrum. Prostate cancer kills people, but it can be treated effectively if detected early, though men tend to not do doctor visits that often. In the case of autism, you are born with it and you live with it and hopefully you can reach a point where you don’t seem too different from the neurotypical. There is no gender-social issue that makes people more or less likely to get it any more than there are any with Down’s Syndrome or Huntington’s Chorea. In the nature nurture spectrum, autism is pretty hard on the nature end of the scale.

[vulcanlogician]

It may not be fatal, but don't people with autism require clinical attention to address the difficulties that come with the condition?

[Rev. Rye]

It may not be fatal, but don't people with autism require clinical attention to address the difficulties that come with the condition?

Yes, many do. A therapist can frequently help the higher functioning people navigate through life, and the lower functioning individuals may require more intensive help to get through the day. I know this from personal experience. The thing is, despite autism disproportionately affecting males and some theories claiming autism is something of an exaggeration of the male brain, I do not see it as a men’s health problem the same way prostate cancer is.

[Catholic_Lady]

Y'all should watch Red Pill.

It's free in Amazon Prime. I think most people would come away thinking some valid points were made, and if not, it's still an interesting doc. Officially recommended!

[GrandizerII]

Women with autism are there in a prevalent manner, theyre just very good at hiding it. There are several articles about hidden autism in women.