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RE: lying angel - silly ol' Gabriel - just musings
December 24, 2017 at 5:01 am
(December 23, 2017 at 8:51 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Ok, the real problem with making extra $$$ playing the organ for the Catholics is that I just DREAD Christmas.
I had to play Advent Mass today, and it's the start of the magic baby gauntlet.
Of course, one of the readings today was the Angel Gabriel's message to Mary. (Luke 1)
“Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor with God.
You will become pregnant, give birth to a son, and name him Jesus.
He will be a great man and will be called the Son of the Most High.
The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David.
Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever, and his kingdom will never end.”
Wow, ol' Gabe didn't keep up on current events, did he? -- Or whatever greek writers penned the fantasies of Luke/Acts didn't?
Is it possible that this author didn't know that the Middle East was under Roman control when Gabe supposedly had his chat with Mary?
Is it possible that the writer didn't know that there WAS NO "King of Jacob's people" and no throne? Maybe this writer thought that
this was going to happen in his lifetime?
And how do people listen to this and just nod and smile and not say . . . hey waitaminnit . . .
Of course, Gabe probably couldn't say "and the temple will be destroyed, Jacob's people scattered to the winds, your Son will be a Gentile deity
because the Jewish high poobah leaders aren't gonna take that "son of the most high" thing well and are gonna get him killed, and in
about 1900 years 6 million Jews will be slaughtered - some people will say it's because they are "Christ-killers". Wouldn't have gone over well.
Now Fundies will tell you that this refers to the Second Coming. Well, if Jeebus finally shows up for reals, he's gonna get some
push back. Exactly what percentage of the World Population would be thrilled with having this guy proclaim himself King of the Jews, and
King of the Planet? Yeah, he's going to have to do a whole boatload of killing. Makes me really happy he doesn't exist.
But seriously. Intelligent people listen to this crap and just nod and smile. It's really horrifying to think that I did the same for 40 years.
Thanks for letting me rant.
The best part of the forum comments is reading new views about why the fairy tale is BS. Thanks for sharing another view about why the story is absurd.
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RE: lying angel - silly ol' Gabriel - just musings
December 24, 2017 at 6:30 am
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(December 23, 2017 at 8:51 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Ok, the real problem with making extra $$$ playing the organ for the Catholics is that I just DREAD Christmas.
I had to play Advent Mass today, and it's the start of the magic baby gauntlet.
Of course, one of the readings today was the Angel Gabriel's message to Mary. (Luke 1)
“Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor with God.
You will become pregnant, give birth to a son, and name him Jesus.
He will be a great man and will be called the Son of the Most High.
The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David.
Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever, and his kingdom will never end.”
Wow, ol' Gabe didn't keep up on current events, did he? -- Or whatever greek writers penned the fantasies of Luke/Acts didn't?
Is it possible that this author didn't know that the Middle East was under Roman control when Gabe supposedly had his chat with Mary?
Is it possible that the writer didn't know that there WAS NO "King of Jacob's people" and no throne? Maybe this writer thought that
this was going to happen in his lifetime?
And how do people listen to this and just nod and smile and not say . . . hey waitaminnit . . .
Of course, Gabe probably couldn't say "and the temple will be destroyed, Jacob's people scattered to the winds, your Son will be a Gentile deity
because the Jewish high poobah leaders aren't gonna take that "son of the most high" thing well and are gonna get him killed, and in
about 1900 years 6 million Jews will be slaughtered - some people will say it's because they are "Christ-killers". Wouldn't have gone over well.
Now Fundies will tell you that this refers to the Second Coming. Well, if Jeebus finally shows up for reals, he's gonna get some
push back. Exactly what percentage of the World Population would be thrilled with having this guy proclaim himself King of the Jews, and
King of the Planet? Yeah, he's going to have to do a whole boatload of killing. Makes me really happy he doesn't exist.
But seriously. Intelligent people listen to this crap and just nod and smile. It's really horrifying to think that I did the same for 40 years.
Thanks for letting me rant.
You see you're wrong because when god was taling about putting the thing into the other thing he was clearly meaning hitting the other other thing with the whatchamacallit so as the kergigger would happen and we'd all be rap...
Look you have to read the bible while opening yourself to the holy ghost* to get its true meaning. Everybody knows that.
*Like Mary did, knowing the ghost biblically.
(December 23, 2017 at 11:22 pm)ignoramus Wrote: So you're admitting you're in a dark closet with Jesus?
Tell us moar!
The Jesus he's closeting with is the Mexican gardener.
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RE: lying angel - silly ol' Gabriel - just musings
December 24, 2017 at 1:43 pm
(December 24, 2017 at 3:27 am)Starhunter Wrote: (December 23, 2017 at 11:40 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: All of my closets are dark.
But seriously. I was playing for an Easter Vigil service and listening to the readings, and I realized that I didn't believe what I was hearing.
It was a cumulative path, of course. I did some of my own comparative religion reading and philosophy and science and -- it apparently seeped in little by little.
But now I listen to Bible readings without the mindset of "ooh, GOD wrote this" that I was taught as a child. So a lot of it now, I just listen and think "this is absolutely absurd". I appreciate your honesty, and I am glad that you are becoming more aware of what you really think.
That's not the response I expect to receive from a theist, Star. Thank you. And Merry Christmas. Or Happy Holidays, Joyous Noel, Happy Kwanzaa, Fantastic Festivus - - whatever fits!! - - to you and yours.
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RE: lying angel - silly ol' Gabriel - just musings
December 24, 2017 at 8:53 pm
(December 24, 2017 at 1:43 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: (December 24, 2017 at 3:27 am)Starhunter Wrote: I appreciate your honesty, and I am glad that you are becoming more aware of what you really think.
That's not the response I expect to receive from a theist, Star. Thank you. And Merry Christmas. Or Happy Holidays, Joyous Noel, Happy Kwanzaa, Fantastic Festivus - - whatever fits!! - - to you and yours.
You too.
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