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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 12:29 am
(December 29, 2017 at 11:48 pm)Fireball Wrote: (December 29, 2017 at 4:43 am)Godscreated Wrote: Just because she is a professor it doesn't mean she is a Christian, it's more like she wanted to do this for a job and doesn't care about the truth. I've seen many theological professors that do not accept what the Bible teaches and/or the truths of scripture. For many of them it's just a job and why they do it I have no idea, you would think they would find something they believe in. Guess it's more like a philosophy to them, who knows, what matters is what you know to be real and the truth, don't get upset because some people want to make a name for themselves instead of searching for the truth.
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We'll see where this leads, Gath is even referred to by the ancient Egyptian writings so there was no doubt it existed and two sherds have inscriptions on them with names similar to Goliath.
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Bolding mine. My experience with the search for truth leans more towards this kind of lie being a Lie for Christ. I hope that before you die, you have a chance to repent.
I've repented to the One who is in control of all things and He is the only one who counts. It is those like you that I worry about, after death there are no second chances with God.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 12:42 am
(December 30, 2017 at 12:29 am)Godscreated Wrote: (December 29, 2017 at 11:48 pm)Fireball Wrote: Bolding mine. My experience with the search for truth leans more towards this kind of lie being a Lie for Christ. I hope that before you die, you have a chance to repent.
I've repented to the One who is in control of all things and He is the only one who counts. It is those like you that I worry about, after death there are no second chances with God.
GC
Don't worry about me. If you are even remotely familiar with that book you claim to believe in, you will realize the futility of your repentance. I pity you, to be honest. Go read that book again, for yourself, without asinine interpretations by others. Figure it out for yourself. I dare you. Read it all, cover to cover, until you get that "AHA" moment. Go on! Do it! And then come back and beg my pardon.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 12:53 am
(December 30, 2017 at 12:42 am)Fireball Wrote: (December 30, 2017 at 12:29 am)Godscreated Wrote: I've repented to the One who is in control of all things and He is the only one who counts. It is those like you that I worry about, after death there are no second chances with God.
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Don't worry about me. If you are even remotely familiar with that book you claim to believe in, you will realize the futility of your repentance. I pity you, to be honest. Go read that book again, for yourself, without asinine interpretations by others. Figure it out for yourself. I dare you. Read it all, cover to cover, until you get that "AHA" moment. Go on! Do it! And then come back and beg my pardon.
No way in hell he'll ever do that. The witch doctors have brainwashed him into believing he'll never find "The Truth" © that way. And, of course, their guidance and assistance with buy-bull study is absolutely free (for the low, low cost of 1/10 of his income plus "love offerings").
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 1:55 am
Quote:I've repented to the One who is in control of all things and He is the only one who counts.
Fuck you. I did not accept your confession. Wise up, son.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 2:37 am
(December 30, 2017 at 12:42 am)Fireball Wrote: (December 30, 2017 at 12:29 am)Godscreated Wrote: I've repented to the One who is in control of all things and He is the only one who counts. It is those like you that I worry about, after death there are no second chances with God.
GC
Don't worry about me. If you are even remotely familiar with that book you claim to believe in, you will realize the futility of your repentance. I pity you, to be honest. Go read that book again, for yourself, without asinine interpretations by others. Figure it out for yourself. I dare you. Read it all, cover to cover, until you get that "AHA" moment. Go on! Do it! And then come back and beg my pardon.
Beg your pardon don't make me
I've read and studied the Bible and have drawn many lessons from it own my own. Like any good student I also listen to the teachers, they have studied more than I have and been taught and trained themselves, but then a nut job like you can't comprehend such sensible things can you.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 5:22 am
So, posting a picture of you chortling a cobra is still out though ?
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 11:49 am
(December 29, 2017 at 3:17 am)MellisaClarke Wrote: You know those super-nervous moments sometimes when on one of those roller coaster rides?
Well, as a long time Christian, I am having that exact feeling from this news!
I've been thinking about this new information for a week now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xVBldyy_Oo
Sure take Moses: There is no record of Exodus ever happening, and the simple reason is that there is no time in which it could have happened. No Egyptian record contains a single reference to anything in Exodus; and by the time there were enough Jews living in Egypt to constitute an Exodus, the time of the pyramids was long over.
Hollywood made a movie with Yul Brynner playing Pharaoh Ramesses, for some reason, to spar Charlton Heston's Moses although no Pharaohs bears this name with plagues or Jewish slaves or edicts to kill babies. Indeed, the earliest, Ramesses I, wasn't even born until more than a thousand years after the Great Pyramid was completed. His grandson, the great Ramesses II, lived even later.
I mean just imagine this big fat story that pushed it self as real history for many centuries is totally invented. Although not to zealous Christians that simply don't want to let it go despite lack of any evidence, as you can witness even from some posters in this topic. And even Jews - like that same woman made documentary that David and his huge kingdom never existed and yet some devoted Jews won't accept it, claiming that evidence is yet to be found.
Same is with Jesus: you can't determine, even by the Bible, when he was born, where he was born, where and when he died, or went to school, or ascended - nothing.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 11:59 am
I always am not sure what people mean when they say something like "Jesus never existed" what qualifies him existing or not? What percentage of the gospels have to be accurate for him to have existed?
If there was a jewish preacher who traveled the roman empire, preached about the virtures of poverty over wealth and living a life of astetic seperation from the world, and was killed by the Romans, is that man Jesus? There were probably multiple people like that. Do the stories have to be 90% true? 50%, 10%? Nobody on either side of the debate ever really clarifies what they mean by saying what qualifies a biblical figure to have existed in the first place.
I think it renders the whole debate pointless until that is worked out first.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 1:12 pm
(December 30, 2017 at 11:59 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: I always am not sure what people mean when they say something like "Jesus never existed" what qualifies him existing or not? What percentage of the gospels have to be accurate for him to have existed?
If there was a jewish preacher who traveled the roman empire, preached about the virtures of poverty over wealth and living a life of astetic seperation from the world, and was killed by the Romans, is that man Jesus? There were probably multiple people like that. Do the stories have to be 90% true? 50%, 10%? Nobody on either side of the debate ever really clarifies what they mean by saying what qualifies a biblical figure to have existed in the first place.
I think it renders the whole debate pointless until that is worked out first.
What I usually mean by 'Jesus never existed' is that the Gospels are not biographical to any meaningful extent. That is, there wasn't a person who was born in Bethlehem, grew up in Nazareth (after a sojourn in Egypt), performed miracles involving wine, bread, fish, water-walking, weather control, healing and necromancy, ran afoul of the local authorities, suffered torture, death by crucifixion, was resurrected and ascended into Heaven.
Were there Jewish heretics that went about preaching as you described? Almost certainly, but that doesn't make them 'Jesus' anymore than (to return to an earlier point of mine) a 12th century highwayman who may have helped poor people qualifies as Robin Hood, or a Romanized Briton giving some Saxons a rough time matches up with the king described in 'Morte d' Arthur'.
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RE: People in bible never existed according to head of Theology at a university in UK!
December 30, 2017 at 1:32 pm
(December 29, 2017 at 3:17 am)MellisaClarke Wrote: You know those super-nervous moments sometimes when on one of those roller coaster rides?
Well, as a long time Christian, I am having that exact feeling from this news!
I've been thinking about this new information for a week now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xVBldyy_Oo
Well look at it this way, does Allah sound too good to be true or sound impossible to you?
Do you really believe a man magically popped out of dirt? Do you really think a baby can be born without a second set of DNA? If you would not find it credible for a dead body to get up and walk after 3 days today, what makes you think it happened back then?
You know that old saying, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."
There were a few real people and places in that book, but those people were peppered into after the fact in retrofitting to lend the story false credibility. WHAT NEVER happened regardless were the fantastic claims.
Just like you would rightfully reject any of the fantastic claims of the Koran. Just like you rightfully reject the polytheism of the ancient Egyptians, even though they had real Pharaohs.
Think about Peter Pan and Harry Potter mention the city of London, but you rightfully reject the idea of boys flying like depicted in those stories.
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