Why, God? Why?!

[Huggy Bear]

I can't remember the last time I drowned any of my kids..or ordered one to kill the other.

What if your kid was Stalin and you knew that he would be responsible for 68 million deaths... would you drown him?

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't know if my kid -is- the next Stalin, and I still won't drown him...but it's a pointless question..unless you're imagining that every single person god ordered anyone to kill in magic book...and every single person god drowns in magic flood.... was stalin...and that's more a comment on your own humanity than the humanity of any of those people.

I never did understand why people make the parenting comparison.  It fails god -and- man simultaneously.  Firstly, it shows god to be incapable of the basic function of a simple animal....what kind of believer wants to set that up?  Secondly, it shits all over the basic function of those simple animals...discharged day in and day out all day every day all over the worldt...and what parent would treat their children as god is said to have treated his?

Thirdly, and finally, it makes you say stupid shit that only a complete dick would say. Case in point...your silly question.

[Amarok]

What supposedly happened to free will or predestined to be Stalin no matter what? . And are the theists arguing that i can kill children if i knew they were going to be Stalin?

[Huggy Bear]

I don't know if my kid -is- the next Stalin, and I still won't drown him...but it's a pointless question..unless you're imagining that every single person god ordered anyone to kill in magic book...and every single person god drowns in magic flood.... was stalin...and that's more a comment on your own humanity than the humanity of any of those people.

I never did understand why people make the parenting comparison.  It fails god -and- man simultaneously.  Firstly, it shows god to be incapable of the basic function of a simple animal....what kind of believer wants to set that up?  Secondly, it shits all over the basic function of those simple animals...discharged day in and day out all day every day all over the worldt...and what parent would treat their children as god is said to have treated his?

Thirdly, and finally, it makes you say stupid shit that only a complete dick would say.  Case in point...your silly question.

It was a simple yes or no question,  so how about a yes or a no? Every single time one of you asks me a yes or no question I'll ALWAYS give a yes or no answer so why are you so reluctant?

Please answer this simple question Huggy. Pick just yes or no, and don't try and dodge the question by explaining why you can't pick yes or no. It's a simple question.

This is a hypothetical scenario only. Assume you hear the voice of God. It's definitely God, the one you worship. There is absolutely no doubt about it. You're totally sure. He tells you to kill all your family and friends.

Will you obey and kill your family and friends? Yes or no.

Other theists are also welcome to answer with either yes or no too. I've not seen a single one ever give an honest, simple answer to this honest, simple question. If you think the scenario is impossible, then it doesn't matter which answer you say, does it? So just pick one. Except it already happened in the bible, Abraham was instructed to kill his son, and he agreed. He had real faith.

Oh, God wouldn't make you go through with it? Cool, then the answer is yes. You would fully intend to kill them, assuming he will stop you at the last minute. So "yes" will cover this.

So yes or no only please.

If you want a little bit more time to think, why not consider this scenario first:

No

Wow! OK, well you have my respect here, for giving the first real answer ever to this question. And it's a great answer. I wonder if any other theists will be so brave?

So I'll ask again. If you knew for a fact that your kid would grow up to be responsible for the deaths of millions of people, would you drown him? Answer that, then we can get into the implications.

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't know if my kid -is- the next Stalin, and I still won't drown him...but it's a pointless question..unless you're imagining that every single person god ordered anyone to kill in magic book...and every single person god drowns in magic flood.... was stalin...and that's more a comment on your own humanity than the humanity of any of those people.

I never did understand why people make the parenting comparison.  It fails god -and- man simultaneously.  Firstly, it shows god to be incapable of the basic function of a simple animal....what kind of believer wants to set that up?  Secondly, it shits all over the basic function of those simple animals...discharged day in and day out all day every day all over the worldt...and what parent would treat their children as god is said to have treated his?

Thirdly, and finally, it makes you say stupid shit that only a complete dick would say.  Case in point...your silly question.

It was a simple yes or no question,  so how about a yes or a no? Every single time one of you asks me a yes or no question I'll ALWAYS give a yes or no answer so why are you so reluctant?

 What was unclear, above?

[Huggy Bear]

It was a simple yes or no question,  so how about a yes or a no? Every single time one of you asks me a yes or no question I'll ALWAYS give a yes or no answer so why are you so reluctant?

 What was unclear, above?

It was unclear if your answer was a yes or no... so how about giving a clear yes or no, to avoid any confusion.

[The Grand Nudger]

I already told you that I don;t know whether my kid is stalin and I still won't drown him.  I gave you the assholes 50/50 and that wasn't good enough?  What an asshole.

Speaking of assholes.."god's love" whatever the hell that is..in addition to being something entirely alien to what any parent feels....is woefully lacking in it's ability to keep him from killing his own children..apparently his only recourse..in his vast omniscience and oh-so-competent omnipotence.

Some parent....some god.

Or maybe it's just you?

[Huggy Bear]

I already told you that I don;t know whether my kid is stalin and I still won't drown him.  I gave you the assholes 50/50 and that wasn't good enough?  What an asshole.

Speaking of assholes.."god love" whatever the hell that is..in addition to being something entirely alien to what any parent feels....is woefully lacking in it's ability to keep him from killing his own children..apparently his only recourse..in his vast omniscience and oh-so-competent omnipotence.  

Some parent....some god.

Or maybe it's just you?

Your answer isn't good enough because it's not an answer.

Let's try again.

The question was:


"What if your kid was Stalin and you knew that he would be responsible for 68 million deaths... would you drown him?"

I don't know what your answer of "I don;t know whether my kid is stalin and I still won't drown him." means in relation to the question.

You know what would be clear? A 'yes' or a 'no'...

[The Grand Nudger]

Why would I kill my kid, Huggs....are you really going to castigate me for being unwilling to do so, regardless of who my kid was?  You can't be so clueless as to imagine that you'll ever win the "parent's love" argument by insisting that under some circumstance I should kill my kid..either directly or indirectly?

You;re the one that just finished telling us that we were created in gods image, and further that gods's reasons were like any parent's reasons. Well..I wont kill my kids, because I love them. Now, have fun telling me all of the ways that god is different and that you were wrong.

Do all of my work for me...again.

[Huggy Bear]

Why would I kill my kid, Huggs....are you really going to castigate me for being unwilling to do so, regardless of who my kid was?  You can't be so clueless as to imagine that you'll ever win the "parent's love" argument by insisting that under some circumstance I should kill my kid..either directly or indirectly?

You;re the one that just finished telling us that we were created in gods image, and further that gods's reasons were like any parent's reasons.   Well..I wont kill my kids, because I love them.  Now, have fun telling me all of the ways that god is different and that you were wrong.

Do all of my work for me...again.

Ok, so It's a no then... got it.

So by knowing that your kid would be responsible for 68 million deaths, by doing nothing their blood is on your hands.

Now in comparison to God, did he not love the world so much that he sacrificed his only begotten Son? You made it, clear that if you were God you'd save your kid and sacrifice untold trillions.