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Actual Infinity in Reality?

Poll: Can an actual infinite number of concrete (not abstract) things logically exists?
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No
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Actual Infinity in Reality?
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RE: Actual Infinity in Reality?
February 16, 2018 at 7:28 am
(February 16, 2018 at 1:35 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(February 15, 2018 at 11:05 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The principles of logic are only as good as how accurately they describe the universe under which we live, Neo.  They're dependent upon them, as well..as all things we know must be.  

Weakness of the system.  Just remember not to fall asleep..that's when the night maers get you.  Wink

You intentionally conflate ontology with epistemology because it suits you.  It is similar to how there are natural laws that govern the universe and there are formulas describing/modeling those laws. Saying that something is descriptive implies some other thing being described.


Interesting point.  Do you imagine that the natural laws that govern the universe reflect the universe's intention?  Or do such laws just reflect the brute nature of stuff and how it interacts with other stuff?
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RE: Actual Infinity in Reality?
February 16, 2018 at 7:58 am
It's just a description of how stuff interacts with other stuff . And simply is the way it is . There is no intention or thought behind it . At least their is no reason to believe in one or that it is some other way .
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RE: Actual Infinity in Reality?
February 16, 2018 at 8:03 am
(February 15, 2018 at 9:29 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(February 15, 2018 at 9:10 pm)polymath257 Wrote: The example of Faraday is interesting. He did a lot of the groundwork on electromagnetism, but he was primarily an experimentalist. The mathematical theory came later. So the engineers were able to start making practical objects before we had a mathematical theory. Faraday's conceptual models didn't really go that far. It was his experiments that opened up a whole new area.

Didn't old what's his name do this with two different sized balls in a tilted building?

Well, not actually. Galileo used inclined planes. But he also immediately came up with a mathematical treatment.
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RE: Actual Infinity in Reality?
February 16, 2018 at 8:18 am
(February 16, 2018 at 7:58 am)Tizheruk Wrote: It's just a description of how stuff interacts with other stuff . And simply is the way it is . There is no intention or thought behind it . At least their is no reason to believe in one or that it is some other way .


Sure seems like the appropriately miserly assumption to make to me too.  I wonder though if a theist is just duty bound to see it as radiating divine intention.
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RE: Actual Infinity in Reality?
February 16, 2018 at 8:23 am
(February 16, 2018 at 8:18 am)Whateverist Wrote:
(February 16, 2018 at 7:58 am)Tizheruk Wrote: It's just a description of how stuff interacts with other stuff . And simply is the way it is . There is no intention or thought behind it . At least their is no reason to believe in one or that it is some other way .


Sure seems like the appropriately miserly assumption to make to me too.  I wonder though if a theist is just duty bound to see it as radiating divine intention.

I imagine they are . Lucky were aren't huh  Big Grin
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RE: Actual Infinity in Reality?
February 16, 2018 at 9:18 am
(February 16, 2018 at 8:03 am)polymath257 Wrote:
(February 15, 2018 at 9:29 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Didn't old what's his name do this with two different sized balls in a tilted building?

Well, not actually. Galileo used inclined planes. But he also immediately came up with a mathematical treatment.

That's not what they told me in grade school.
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RE: Actual Infinity in Reality?
February 16, 2018 at 9:36 am
Well, I can't help the quality of the grade school you went to. Nor, for that matter, the one I went to.
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RE: Actual Infinity in Reality?
February 16, 2018 at 10:19 am
Still, who are you going to believe, Mr Science or Mr Rogers?
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RE: Actual Infinity in Reality?
February 16, 2018 at 10:27 am
My childhood is now ruined.
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RE: Actual Infinity in Reality?
February 16, 2018 at 10:32 am
(February 16, 2018 at 10:27 am)mh.brewer Wrote: My childhood is now ruined.

Hey, mine was ruined when I was a child. Consider it extra time!
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