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RE: The Myth of the Persecuted Church
February 24, 2018 at 12:14 pm
*some reason
-syncretism and fetishism applied to hellenic stoicism. It waxed in rome until about 300ad, and over the course of the century in which christianity was developing it declined just as many of the clerics educations had come to include the notions of bridging the new faith with the traditional philosophy. Of having a rational plan for the cosmos. An insistence on natural law being the arbiter of virtue. God, ofc, as the author of it all.
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RE: The Myth of the Persecuted Church
February 24, 2018 at 12:27 pm
(February 22, 2018 at 5:24 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Straight to hell, according to the bible. You're not allowed to get into heaven if you had a good life here, for some reason.
Plato said it 300 years earlier and far better than this jesus bullshitter.
Quote: [742e] Of these objects some are possible of attainment, some impossible; such as are possible the organizer of the State will desire; the impossible he will neither vainly desire nor attempt. That happiness and goodness should go together is well-nigh inevitable,1 so he will desire the people to be both good and happy; but it is impossible for them to be at once both good and excessively rich—rich at least as most men count riches; for they reckon as rich those who possess, in a rare degree, goods worth a vast deal of money, if the citizens are to be happy they must be good. In what follows it is shown that good men cannot be very rich nor very rich men good, therefore also the very rich cannot be happy. and these even a wicked man might possess. And since this is so, I would never concede to them that the rich man is really happy if he is not also good; while, if a man is superlatively good, it is impossible that he should be also superlatively rich.
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RE: The Myth of the Persecuted Church
February 24, 2018 at 2:53 pm
Power does corrupt easily, and money brings a lot of power. Yet they don't feel their god is corruptible somehow. Even though they admit he can do whatever he feels like, and we just have to assume it's for the better good, because reasons.
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RE: The Myth of the Persecuted Church
February 24, 2018 at 3:00 pm
(February 24, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:In what follows it is shown that good men cannot be very rich nor very rich men good, therefore also the very rich cannot be happy.
--Plato
Yeah, he lost me after "therefore," but the first part of his statement rings true.
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RE: The Myth of the Persecuted Church
February 24, 2018 at 4:09 pm
Like most philosophers he rambles on and on. Jebus was more like a stand-up comc tossing out one-liners that he stole from the Greeks!
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RE: The Myth of the Persecuted Church
February 25, 2018 at 10:29 am
I persecute my wife on a daily basis. She does not seem to have a problem with it.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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RE: The Myth of the Persecuted Church
February 27, 2018 at 2:17 am
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(February 24, 2018 at 3:00 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Yeah, he lost me after "therefore," but the first part of his statement rings true.
Couple days late, but..Plato thought that goodness, in a sense, was a requirement for happiness...therefore if rich mean cannot be good men..then rich men cannot be happy. Or maybe this is an early truism about the lives of unfulfilled patricians and the human wake they must have left behind them as they collected wealth. More drachma, more problems.
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RE: The Myth of the Persecuted Church
February 28, 2018 at 2:03 am
I don't understand how it would be possible to persecute an establishment that has a supremely powerful being at its helm.
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RE: The Myth of the Persecuted Church
February 28, 2018 at 7:41 am
The supreme being is tired of their shit.
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RE: The Myth of the Persecuted Church
February 28, 2018 at 9:22 pm
(February 27, 2018 at 2:17 am)Khemikal Wrote: (February 24, 2018 at 3:00 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Yeah, he lost me after "therefore," but the first part of his statement rings true.
Couple days late, but..Plato thought that goodness, in a sense, was a requirement for happiness...therefore if rich mean cannot be good men..then rich men cannot be happy. Or maybe this is an early truism about the lives of unfulfilled patricians and the human wake they must have left behind them as they collected wealth. More drachma, more problems.
Yeah, but dude: You can't be happy on the rack. Plato said you could be happy on the rack. He was wrong about that. I agree with Plato that virtue contributes to happiness, but I disagree with the notion that virtue=happiness. It doesn't.
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