Incest, homosexuality

[Justtristo]

I have no problems with homosexual relationships, however with incestuous relationships even consensual ones. I believe it seriously distorts the familial relationships (especially if you have grown up with or been raised by your lover).

Likewise I disapprove of polygamy because it often leads to intense jealously between the different wives (women generally don’t like sharing their man with other women). Along with the fact that often polygamy has been used for men to dominate and control women. Also not to mention that humans are a biologically serial monogamous (adultery has been biologically beneficial for us) species.

[Ashendant]

I have no problems with homosexual relationships, however with incestuous relationships even consensual ones. I believe it seriously distorts the familial relationships (especially if you have grown up with or been raised by your lover).

Likewise I disapprove of polygamy because it often leads to intense jealously between the different wives (women generally don’t like sharing their man with other women). Along with the fact that often polygamy has been used for men to dominate and control women. Also not to mention that humans are a biologically serial monogamous (adultery has been biologically beneficial for us) species.

I also don't agree with incest, yes it's icky however i have no business in intruding in other people lives, but i don't want that have birth defects...

Polygamy, whatever if they love each other go for it, however when some thinks of running a polygamy everyone think of men having a harem, why is it not though as the opposite sometimes a female marrying a lot of men or a bisexual polygamy between two men and two women...

Bestiality i do not agree because we have no way to prove the animals are consenting, so we can't consider consider them "Consenting adults" if we met another sapient species that we could talk to clearly i would be totally ok with it

[Skipper]

Once a child becomes involved incest becomes wrong. Other than that I see no reason why people, if they so choose, should not be allowed to do it.

[Dotard]

I find it morally repulsive and so does the rest of normal society, so it seems.

You saying I am not part of 'the rest of normal society'? Insinuating if my morality differs from yours that I am not "Normal"?

[CarinaS]

I find it morally repulsive and so does the rest of normal society, so it seems.

You saying I am not part of 'the rest of normal society'? Insinuating if my morality differs from yours that I am not "Normal"?

I'm pretty content with not being normal, at this rate

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

I understand why you may have thought that, but it is not the case. I am also not discussing children at all.
I would never compare either incest or homosexuality with bestiality or pedophilia. These are things that should never be allowed because legitimate consent cannot be given by children or animals.
it makes Me angry when incest is used to debase homosexuality because it is implying that, without a doubt, incest is always disgusting and should not be tolerated. I am in an incestuous relationship. it's interesting for Me to see what other people think, and I do think it can be talked about alongside homosexuality. obviously, they are not exactly the same, nothing is. but they are (or were) taboos, and both do happen with consenting adults (I am not talking about pedophilic incest, obviously), and I think they can be discussed together.

I'm not insinuating anything about your personal opinions and I agree with your anger in regards to the erroneous connections made by those who connect gay relationships with those other things. I still feel that those points were ones I needed to state, like having a disclaimer but they weren't made specifically to address your personal viewpoints and opinions but rather I answered in a general manner.

I discussed children because they are often involved, even if not necessarily directly. Children are often cited as the reason why some of these relationships don't work and are often cited as the reason why the law gets involved at all - including gay marriage and gay relationships.
It's the reason Florida has that assinine ban against gay adoption.

I assume it's because lawmakers in florida think that children can become infected with 'the gay' if they sit around them for too long.

[CarinaS]

I didn't take offense, I just wanted to make a note of those things.

[Cego_Colher]

Likewise I disapprove of polygamy because it often leads to intense jealously between the different wives (women generally don’t like sharing their man with other women). Along with the fact that often polygamy has been used for men to dominate and control women. Also not to mention that humans are a biologically serial monogamous (adultery has been biologically beneficial for us) species.

I would just like to interrupt here and say that I believe it is far more likely that the men would be jealous about sharing their wife(ves) with other men. I read somewhere, that in monogamous relationships men who cheat are more likely to be forgiven then women. men don't want to be raising another man's kid. If true in a polygamous relationship this would have to do with the fact that woman have to carry the baby for nine months. if it is not one man's baby he can't have one with her till after she gives birth.
(that being said I probably wouldn't forgive my guy for cheating.) but maybe it's equal, but I wouldn't say women would be more jealous. They might be more vicious about their jealousy, though.

It also seems like it would be less productive for a woman to have multiple husbands, because she can only have one child at a time. and it's not like she can lay eggs.
Of course, that's not what this discussion is about.

[chasm]

Likewise I disapprove of polygamy because it often leads to intense jealously between the different wives (women generally don’t like sharing their man with other women). Along with the fact that often polygamy has been used for men to dominate and control women. Also not to mention that humans are a biologically serial monogamous (adultery has been biologically beneficial for us) species.

Sigh.

You are dead wrong. I'm a woman and I'm polygamist, and I never get jealous. You are putting a stereotypical monogamous woman into a position of polygamy. What you said is simply not true. Polygamy rocks. Also, humans are biologically polygamous. The first humans had many "wives" and "husbands". Another thing is that other primate species are polygamous, and so are we, but religion had told us we are monogamous when we are not.

[theVOID]

How did you get from "I find it repulsive" to "it's morally repulsive"? Last time I checked morality wasn't whatever you happen to agree with.

You missed the lttle bit at the start. The I find it bit, which means, that I find it morally repulsive, subject to my own moral standard. (There is no it's in it, which you just decided to change to suit yourself).

Your language was confused, Individuals find something morally repulsive the same way a detective finds someone guilty, it's based on an evaluation of some moral standard, so it makes no sense to say "I find this morally repulsive" or "I think this is morally wrong" or anything to that effect. We can remove "morally" from any one of these sentences and get the same exact meaning, demonstrating that the use of the word was meaningless within that sentence.

That's why I asked you to explain how you got from A to B (to demonstrate your "moral" reasoning).

And changing (I find) it to it's was part of the A to B question, I wasn't at all changing your position for convenience because the former (I find it repulsive) is what you justifiably had, but the latter
(it's morally repulsive) was unfounded.

I said nothing about society in general and I certainly didn't tell them what to do, as you are with me! Every coin has two sides, and you should apply your own logic to yourself.

Again this makes me want to point out that using "morally" just adds meaningless baggage to your claim as morally wrong is wrong and should be prevented, to say something is morally wrong and to not want to stop it makes no sense.

Last time I checked morality wasn't whatever you happen to agree with.

And last time I checked the definition of morallity, apparently it applies to the individual and their own moral standards.

The only real definition of morality is "a standard by which we judge action", how we determine what the standard is is where the moral theories like subjectivism come in, though I'm fairly confident that subjectivism is false, because it neglects to take into account relational values which do exist and are not subjective.

Individual subjectivism (I like) is what you seem to be using, it's the same thing as moral nihilism, using the word morality for this type of value statement is pointless, like I showed above.

It is also seen as a social taboo, therefore allowing to be placed under the other definition of morality.

Something being taboo does not make it morally wrong, all it means is that the society in question does not like it. Sex before marriage was (and in some places still is) taboo, but I suspect neither of us would conclude that it's morally wrong because of the opinion of a particular society.

Unless you have some other reason why Incest is morally wrong you've got a double standard, because saying it's taboo therefore it's morally wrong is group subjectivism and is false (is not morality).

Excuse me, the question was posted on an open forum, and went as such;

Aww, your playing victim because I pointed out a confusion in the way you're using terms? Come on, that's over the top

Here's a hypothetical: Incest is legal, you alone have the ability to criminalise it, would you do it and why?