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Saudi Arabia: Snapchat and the Wahhabi defeat
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RE: Saudi Arabia: Snapchat and the Wahhabi defeat
(March 16, 2018 at 8:48 am)Brian37 Wrote: Yea and in doing such intended or not, you came across as accusing anyone who criticizes or blasphemes your religion as wanting to rub you out.

I explained to you that FOR ME being "anti-theist" isn't about, or should I say, should not be about promoting bigotry or violence to believers OF any religion. But yea, I am against bad ideas and old claims, just like it would bother me if you really believed Thor was the cause of lightening. 

Atlass, it would bother me if Tiberious went around every day claiming the New England Patriots beat the Eagles in the last Superbowl. That would not be a true statement because the Eagles won. 

I will stand behind you as a fellow human being as long as you are non violent. I will stand against anyone threatening you with violence or arrest merely based on your position. BUT again, that does not mean I agree with every claim you make.

No, I don't think Allah exists, or Jesus or Yahweh, or Vishnu, nor do I think Buddha had any spiritual or divine power either.

I do express my hate of bad claims. I think my species does not have to live on the claims of antiquity. But that does not mean the same type of hate you are talking about.

If you value peace, and you never give up on your belief, I can live with that, but that does not mean I won't stop saying, "that was then, this is now" or "nonsense". 

I can value human rights AND challenge bad claims at the same time.

I certainly don't speak for all atheists no, but I do speak for myself. Nobody should be demanding your arrest are threatening you with harm if you have not committed any crime of violence. 

I hate what Catholic Lady claims too, but I don't hate her, just the logic  itself. 

I think you have a far more level head than many other theists in the world, I'd only argue that you don't need a religion. But saying that does not mean I want you arrested or dead. 

I have said it many times before. I love the empathy of Malala, but no, I don't think she needs Allah to have that empathy. I love the empathy Martin Luther King Jr had, but again, I don't think he needed Jesus to have that. I love the empathy of Ann Frank, but again, I don't think she needed Yahweh to have that.

Yes I am quite blunt myself about the claims of antiquity, but I promise you, if you have not threatened harm or committed acts of violence, you deserve to be free from harm yourself even if I don't find every claim you make credible. AND THAT goes with any topic, not just that of religion.

I am just as harsh on our far right fundy Christians as you seem to be with your Wahhabi. And even with my fellow atheists, being anti theist myself, I don't like it when some atheists stupidly claim it will be possible on a planet of  7 billion to make it 100% religion free, and that isn't going to happen either.

My only task in criticism and even debate and ridicule isn't to harm my fellow humans physically, but to challenge them to think for themselves. 

You do have a voice here, and you have been here for several years now and that should say to you not everyone is against you. I see even with Christians and Jews as well, a failure to separate human rights, WHICH all of us should agree on, and the different subject of the factual credibility of the claim you make. 

I see my fellow humans as CERTAINLY being capable of compassion and non violence, but even in that context that does not mean everything that individual might claim a proven credible fact.

Eventually what is important is your own personal definition of the term "anti-theist". If the bigotry is removed from the definition, the opposing part must incline to peace immediately and repay the non-bigoted approach with another non-bigoted approach. Actually there is even a verse that I found for that in the Quran:

Quote:Sura 60, The Quran:
( 8 )   Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.


So you can say that it's a religious sentence to be nice with nice people, and also support you as long as the bigotry is off.
Your belief is defiantly your own. I will never consider a personal choice to be a hostile attack against me. We can wait and let time show what the future holds; but for this life we can work.

Criticism must be an allowed thing at all times. Suppress that and you get yourself a very messed up society. As long as physical damage is not used against the innocents; freedom of expression should be granted for all. Never use bombs against words, or terrorism against artists.
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