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RE: FTM (he's yummy)
March 18, 2018 at 9:54 pm
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(March 18, 2018 at 1:35 pm)FFaith Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 11:18 am)Hammy Wrote: I feel that way about some transwomen. If someone looks biologically female enough to get me all excited I'm not gonna retroactively be all like "NO DON'T LIKE EM" once I discover they're not cis. Only transphobes do that and erections don't lie.
Are you really judging people based on what sexual organs they are attracted to? Sounds like bigotry to me. Not ok when theists do it, but it's perfectly fine for you I guess.
You didn't understand my post did you?
(March 18, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Not being attracted to trans people is not bigoted . THAT IS ABSURD 
That's not what I said though.
I said someone who *is* attracted to a transperson *because* they think they're cis... who then discovers the person is in fact trans and suddenly acts all turned off and disgusted... is bigoted. Because they're lying to themselves. If they're attracted, they're attracted.
(March 18, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Aegon Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 1:35 pm)FFaith Wrote: Are you really judging people based on what sexual organs they are attracted to? Sounds like bigotry to me. Not ok when theists do it, but it's perfectly fine for you I guess.
He said the opposite of that?
Glad someone understands. Makes me wanna keep talking.
(March 18, 2018 at 2:22 pm)FFaith Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Aegon Wrote: He said the opposite of that?
No. The opposite of that would be that it's bigoted to judge people based on what sexual organs they are attracted to. He posted that it's bigoted (or transphobic) to judge people (in terms of sexual interest) based on what sexual organs they have.
I'm not talking about sexual organs. I'm talking about someone being sexually attracted to a person and then suddenly pretending they're no longer attracted once they discover that they were born different to how they are now.
Who the fuck is attracted to organs? Penises and vaginas that aren't attached to people is just playing with sex toys. Hereosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and pansexuality is all about being attracted to PEOPLE.
It's not about whether someone was genetically born with a specific set of genitals. It's about whether you're attracted to a person or not. And if you are.... you are.
(March 18, 2018 at 3:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yeah i dont think its fair to say anyone is a bigot for not being attracted to someone of the same sex, even if they are trans.
I agree. And I'm not saying that.
I'm talking about people who ARE initially attracted and then retroactively change their mind and pretend not to be due to a phobia once they discover irrelevant info.
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RE: FTM (he's yummy)
March 18, 2018 at 10:10 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 9:54 pm)Hammy Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 1:35 pm)FFaith Wrote: Are you really judging people based on what sexual organs they are attracted to? Sounds like bigotry to me. Not ok when theists do it, but it's perfectly fine for you I guess.
You didn't understand my post did you?
(March 18, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Not being attracted to trans people is not bigoted . THAT IS ABSURD
That's not what I said though.
I said someone who *is* attracted to a transperson *because* they think they're cis... who then discovers the person is in fact trans and suddenly acts all turned off and disgusted... is bigoted. Because they're lying to themselves. If they're attracted, they're attracted.
(March 18, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Aegon Wrote: He said the opposite of that?
Glad someone understands. Makes me wanna keep talking.
(March 18, 2018 at 2:22 pm)FFaith Wrote: No. The opposite of that would be that it's bigoted to judge people based on what sexual organs they are attracted to. He posted that it's bigoted (or transphobic) to judge people (in terms of sexual interest) based on what sexual organs they have.
I'm not talking about sexual organs. I'm talking about someone being sexually attracted to a person and then suddenly pretending they're no longer attracted once they discover that they were born different to how they are now.
Who the fuck is attracted to organs? Penises and vaginas that aren't attached to people is just playing with sex toys. Hereosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and pansexuality is all about being attracted to PEOPLE.
It's not about whether someone was genetically born with a specific set of genitals. It's about whether you're attracted to a person or not. And if you are.... you are.
(March 18, 2018 at 3:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yeah i dont think its fair to say anyone is a bigot for not being attracted to someone of the same sex, even if they are trans.
I agree. And I'm not saying that.
I'm talking about people who ARE initially attracted and then retroactively change their mind and pretend not to be due to a phobia once they discover irrelevant info. I was responding to FFaith
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RE: FTM (he's yummy)
March 18, 2018 at 10:13 pm
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(March 18, 2018 at 9:54 pm)Hammy Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 1:35 pm)FFaith Wrote: Are you really judging people based on what sexual organs they are attracted to? Sounds like bigotry to me. Not ok when theists do it, but it's perfectly fine for you I guess.
You didn't understand my post did you?
(March 18, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Not being attracted to trans people is not bigoted . THAT IS ABSURD
That's not what I said though.
I said someone who *is* attracted to a transperson *because* they think they're cis... who then discovers the person is in fact trans and suddenly acts all turned off and disgusted... is bigoted. Because they're lying to themselves. If they're attracted, they're attracted.
(March 18, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Aegon Wrote: He said the opposite of that?
Glad someone understands. Makes me wanna keep talking.
(March 18, 2018 at 2:22 pm)FFaith Wrote: No. The opposite of that would be that it's bigoted to judge people based on what sexual organs they are attracted to. He posted that it's bigoted (or transphobic) to judge people (in terms of sexual interest) based on what sexual organs they have.
I'm not talking about sexual organs. I'm talking about someone being sexually attracted to a person and then suddenly pretending they're no longer attracted once they discover that they were born different to how they are now.
Who the fuck is attracted to organs? Penises and vaginas that aren't attached to people is just playing with sex toys. Hereosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and pansexuality is all about being attracted to PEOPLE.
It's not about whether someone was genetically born with a specific set of genitals. It's about whether you're attracted to a person or not. And if you are.... you are.
(March 18, 2018 at 3:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yeah i dont think its fair to say anyone is a bigot for not being attracted to someone of the same sex, even if they are trans.
I agree. And I'm not saying that.
I'm talking about people who ARE initially attracted and then retroactively change their mind and pretend not to be due to a phobia once they discover irrelevant info.
I understood what you meant, Hamz. And you did an eloquent job of clarifying what you meant here.
“An eloquent job”? Is that grammatically incorrect? Eh, I’m too lazy to check. 😝
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RE: FTM (he's yummy)
March 18, 2018 at 10:25 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 9:54 pm)Hammy Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 1:35 pm)FFaith Wrote: Are you really judging people based on what sexual organs they are attracted to? Sounds like bigotry to me. Not ok when theists do it, but it's perfectly fine for you I guess.
You didn't understand my post did you?
(March 18, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Not being attracted to trans people is not bigoted . THAT IS ABSURD
That's not what I said though.
I said someone who *is* attracted to a transperson *because* they think they're cis... who then discovers the person is in fact trans and suddenly acts all turned off and disgusted... is bigoted. Because they're lying to themselves. If they're attracted, they're attracted.
(March 18, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Aegon Wrote: He said the opposite of that?
Glad someone understands. Makes me wanna keep talking.
(March 18, 2018 at 2:22 pm)FFaith Wrote: No. The opposite of that would be that it's bigoted to judge people based on what sexual organs they are attracted to. He posted that it's bigoted (or transphobic) to judge people (in terms of sexual interest) based on what sexual organs they have.
I'm not talking about sexual organs. I'm talking about someone being sexually attracted to a person and then suddenly pretending they're no longer attracted once they discover that they were born different to how they are now.
Who the fuck is attracted to organs? Penises and vaginas that aren't attached to people is just playing with sex toys. Hereosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and pansexuality is all about being attracted to PEOPLE.
It's not about whether someone was genetically born with a specific set of genitals. It's about whether you're attracted to a person or not. And if you are.... you are.
(March 18, 2018 at 3:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yeah i dont think its fair to say anyone is a bigot for not being attracted to someone of the same sex, even if they are trans.
I agree. And I'm not saying that.
I'm talking about people who ARE initially attracted and then retroactively change their mind and pretend not to be due to a phobia once they discover irrelevant info.
I don't know man, I feel like you're breaking it down to only physical attraction. There's plenty of reasons to be no longer attracted to someone if you find something out about them personally. Personally I wouldn't want to date/have sex with someone that used to be a man, even if they're passing as a woman. It would kill the attraction for me on a mental level. I'm sure there are a lot of people that may be physically attracted to someone and lose that attraction when they find out the person is: unfunny, boring, used to be a criminal, etc.
I literally don't care what anyone else does or is attracted to. I'm just.not attracted to that.
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RE: FTM (he's yummy)
March 19, 2018 at 4:56 am
Trans or no it must have taken considerable training and diet to look like that. I'd like to look like that.
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RE: FTM (he's yummy)
March 19, 2018 at 11:36 am
(March 18, 2018 at 9:54 pm)Hammy Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 1:35 pm)FFaith Wrote: Are you really judging people based on what sexual organs they are attracted to? Sounds like bigotry to me. Not ok when theists do it, but it's perfectly fine for you I guess.
You didn't understand my post did you?
(March 18, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Not being attracted to trans people is not bigoted . THAT IS ABSURD
That's not what I said though.
I said someone who *is* attracted to a transperson *because* they think they're cis... who then discovers the person is in fact trans and suddenly acts all turned off and disgusted... is bigoted. Because they're lying to themselves. If they're attracted, they're attracted.
(March 18, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Aegon Wrote: He said the opposite of that?
Glad someone understands. Makes me wanna keep talking.
(March 18, 2018 at 2:22 pm)FFaith Wrote: No. The opposite of that would be that it's bigoted to judge people based on what sexual organs they are attracted to. He posted that it's bigoted (or transphobic) to judge people (in terms of sexual interest) based on what sexual organs they have.
I'm not talking about sexual organs. I'm talking about someone being sexually attracted to a person and then suddenly pretending they're no longer attracted once they discover that they were born different to how they are now.
Who the fuck is attracted to organs? Penises and vaginas that aren't attached to people is just playing with sex toys. Hereosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and pansexuality is all about being attracted to PEOPLE.
It's not about whether someone was genetically born with a specific set of genitals. It's about whether you're attracted to a person or not. And if you are.... you are.
(March 18, 2018 at 3:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yeah i dont think its fair to say anyone is a bigot for not being attracted to someone of the same sex, even if they are trans.
I agree. And I'm not saying that.
I'm talking about people who ARE initially attracted and then retroactively change their mind and pretend not to be due to a phobia once they discover irrelevant info.
No, I think it's fine to not be attracted to someone anymore once you find out they are biologically male/female and you're not attracted to that sex.
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RE: FTM (he's yummy)
March 19, 2018 at 12:12 pm
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(March 18, 2018 at 10:10 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I was responding to FFaith
FFair enough 
(March 18, 2018 at 10:25 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 9:54 pm)Hammy Wrote: You didn't understand my post did you?
That's not what I said though.
I said someone who *is* attracted to a transperson *because* they think they're cis... who then discovers the person is in fact trans and suddenly acts all turned off and disgusted... is bigoted. Because they're lying to themselves. If they're attracted, they're attracted.
Glad someone understands. Makes me wanna keep talking.
I'm not talking about sexual organs. I'm talking about someone being sexually attracted to a person and then suddenly pretending they're no longer attracted once they discover that they were born different to how they are now.
Who the fuck is attracted to organs? Penises and vaginas that aren't attached to people is just playing with sex toys. Hereosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and pansexuality is all about being attracted to PEOPLE.
It's not about whether someone was genetically born with a specific set of genitals. It's about whether you're attracted to a person or not. And if you are.... you are.
I agree. And I'm not saying that.
I'm talking about people who ARE initially attracted and then retroactively change their mind and pretend not to be due to a phobia once they discover irrelevant info.
I don't know man, I feel like you're breaking it down to only physical attraction. There's plenty of reasons to be no longer attracted to someone if you find something out about them personally. Personally I wouldn't want to date/have sex with someone that used to be a man, even if they're passing as a woman. It would kill the attraction for me on a mental level. I'm sure there are a lot of people that may be physically attracted to someone and lose that attraction when they find out the person is: unfunny, boring, used to be a criminal, etc.
I literally don't care what anyone else does or is attracted to. I'm just.not attracted to that.
You're an idiot.
I was specifically talking about the very opposite of physical attraction. I was saying that if you're attracted to a person and you then discover that they were born a different sex to they actually are, and then you PRETEND to no longer be attracted to them and lie to yourself due to a phobia, then you're a transphobic bigot in denial. That's what I'm saying. If you find someone attractive, then you find them attractive.
"EW I THOUGHT THEY WERE HOT BUT THEY 'USED TO BE A MAN' SO I CAN'T BELIEVE I FOUND THEM HOT THEY DISGUST ME NOW'" is something a transphobe says after pretending to no longer be attracted when they are. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
And yeah, no, a transwoman, for example, did NOT 'used to be a man' and statements like that once again testify to transphobia.
And the point is that finding out what biological sex someone was porn as perfectly is not 'finding out' something unattractive about someone, it's an irrelevant detail unless you're a bigot.
If someone looks physically attractive to you and you find their personallty attractive and you find them all feminine and they literally have ALL the qualities that get you really sexually excited, and then you react with "ew" once you discover they were born with a diferent set of genitals, then you're a fucking bigot fucking perioid.
It's not about not being attracted to transpeople that makes you a bigot. I'm attracted to at least 50% of ciswomen and yet only like 1% of transwomen.... but the point is that on the few occasions that I do I find a transwomen attractive and I couldn't even tell that they weren't cis... if I then discover they're not cis I'm not going to suddenly retroactively act all disgusted and say "Ew" and no longer become attracted because I'm not a fucking bigoted moron. I'm not going to start PRETENDING to no longer be attracted because I'm not fucking phobic of anything or anyone that I find attractive and I'm perfectly secure and in touch with WHATEVER turns me on.
If a cisman ever looked enough like a ciswoman to turn me on I wouldn't suddenly pretend I didn't find them attractive once I discovered they're a dude either.
So far though, that's never happened. I've never seen one dude who identifies as a dude and is born as a dude who looks feminine enough for me to find attractive. All men look like either sweaty meatbags or pretty boys to me... neither of which I find attractive lol. And it doesn't make me a bigot to be thus far 100% straight and find men to be as unattractive as fuck... but it WOULD make me a bigot if I was attracted to a guy but I lied to myself and pretended not to be due to a homophobia. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. I'm open to the possiblity of one day perhaps finding a guy attractive, and if I ever did I would embrace that side of myself. Supposedly everyone has a little bit of a gay side to them so I guess I haven't found mine yet. But IMO perhaps most people are at least a little bit bisexual but I think I'm one of those few people who really are 100% hetero. The point is I wouldn't lie to myself or act all phobic if I were to find a person attractive... whether they're trans, cis a man a woman genderfluid gender neutral or whatever. I wouldn't lie to myself, I wouldn't be phobic and I wouldn't pretend I wasn't attracted to someone when I was.
Yes there are many things that you can discover about a person that really is a relevant turn off, but being turned off for a bigot reason, or PRETENDING to be, for a bigoted reason... is not one of them.
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RE: FTM (he's yummy)
March 19, 2018 at 12:49 pm
Of course genitalia plays a part in sexual attraction. How could you possibly suggest otherwise? I could find a woman sexually attractive at first sight, and then she could whip out her dick. I don't like dick. It doesn't make me a bigot to change my mind at that point and not want the dick. The same goes for an artificial vagina. It's an imitation of a natural vagina, and some people are just going to find that unappealing. You are acting like the mirror image of a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim judging men for being into penises rather than vaginas. You are judging people just the same for having a preference for natural vaginas. Preferences are not bigotry. I'm not putting the trans woman down or questioning who they are when I say I don't want to be with them or when I say that I find their genitalia unappealing because it's not natural. They are women and I'm not questioning that, but it's not their genitalia that makes them women. It's their brain, and it's how they identify. I fully accept that they are women and I consider myself to be very pro trans. The only time I really take issue with trans people is when they argue for hate speech laws/ censorship and garbage like that.
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RE: FTM (he's yummy)
March 19, 2018 at 1:17 pm
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I didn't suggest otherwise.
Fucking hell ... so many idiots who can't even read my posts properly, it's tiresome.
We're not talking about women whipping out their dicks wtf. How many more times. I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE BEING ATTRACTED AND THEN RETROACTIVELY PRETENDED NOT TO DUE TO A PHOBIA. Do you understand yet you dumbassed moron?
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RE: FTM (he's yummy)
March 19, 2018 at 2:29 pm
Ok. I'm glad to find out you didn't suggest otherwise, but when you say that finding out that a woman is a biological male is finding out an irrelevant fact, I definitely do not agree with that. That fact is relevant, and if thinking so makes me a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot.
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