FTM (he's yummy)

[notimportant1234]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I would no longer feel attracted to a person once learning they are biologically a women because I am not attracted to the female sex. When it comes to sexual attraction, the person's sex is not irrelevant to me.

Even when they appear identical hence why you initially thought they were male...?

None of us are attracted to the essence of someone, we are all attracted to appearances because appearances is all that appears to us. Anyone who is attracted to an appearance and then discovers that someone's genetics is different to they thought it was.... is being bigoted about the way someone is born.

I mean, if you're not attracted to the appearance of a black person that isn't racist because we can't help what appearances we are or aren't attracted to. But if a black person looks white but has the DNA of a black person and you suddenly aren't attracted to them anymore once you discover their DNA is black because you don't like their black DNA... that's racist. We have no choice in what appearances we are or aren't attrracted to but if we literally care about DNA or how someone is born despite how they appear and behave and how they are mentally and physically... it's... am I the only one who recognizes this? Being anti-DNA is kind of taking a eugenics position. It's not the same as being unattracted to an appearance as appearances are what we are attracted to and we have no control over that. If you are attracted to an appearance of someone and then you discover something that has nothing to do with their appearance (or behavior because behavior is an appearance)... then you can't truly not be attracted anymore because it has nothing to do with what the attraction is aimed at (the appearance). Hence why I talk of denial.

Again, I'm not just talking about physical appearances. I'm talking about mental appearances too. How the person's personality seems to you. How their behavior seems to you. AND how they physically seem to you.

If you literally are attracted to everything about how the person seems to be to you, then you are attracted to that person, it doesn't matter what their DNA is so to recoil at their DNA for phobic or religious reasons is bigoted. It's not like you can actually control your own sexual attraction. Either we're attracted to the way someone seems to us or we're not.

Maybe I'm the only one who sees this but I definitely see it without question.

If you are an exclusive heterosexual( you are right ,about 10% of the population is composed of exclusive heterosexuals or homosexual) and your interest hasn't diminished after you were informed that she was a trans women than that is probably a good proof that the information doesn't affect your atraction.
We could take into account preference and maybe there will be a lost of interesest in wanting to go on with the interaction but that is just speculation.
Btw, I think homophobic is the apropriate term for this situation.

[Edwardo Piet]

Female brain? Male body? My inner bigot is getting triggered.

It would be more like female brain male body despite the invisible irrelevant chromosomes becomes female brain female body despite the invisible chromosomes, or male brain female body despite the invisible chromosomes becomes male brain male body despite the invisible irrelevant chromosomes.

"Wow they're hot. Oh shit they have different chromosomes to I thought! I am gonna act all not attracted now even though that doesn't actually change how my body or brain feels about how they actually are physically and mentally as a person."

[Foxaèr]

I look at it this way:

1) I am not sexually attracted to the female physique.
2) A woman transitions and no longer physically resembles a female.
3) The physical aspect of maleness before me is sexually arousing despite the biological gender.

[Edwardo Piet]

If you are an exclusive heterosexual( you are right ,about 10% of the population is composed of exclusive heterosexuals or homosexual) and your interest hasn't diminished after you were informed that she was a trans women than that is probably a good proof that the information doesn't affect your atraction.

The information can't affect my attraction but if I was bigoted I could convince myself otherwise, repress my true feelings and pretend to no longer be attracted for bigoted reasons.

We could take into account preference and maybe there will be a lost of interesest in wanting to go on with the interaction but that is just speculation.

Well, the only reason to lose interest on the outside, despite still being interested deep down on the outside, are reasons that are phobic and bigoted.

Btw, I think homophobic is the apropriate term for this situation.

I don't because we are talking about someone who becomes phobic once discovering someone is trans, right? We're not talking about being phobic of someone once discovering the person is gay, we're talking about being phobic of someone once discovering that they are trans and not cis. As if that makes a difference to how attracted you are when it doesn't, but if you're anti-trans you're certainly going to act like you're no longer attracted even when you are.

I mean, sure, it would be similar to someone who believed they were a hereosexual man and then discovered they were attracted to another man and then suddenly pretended not to be and buried those feelings because they wanted to continue to believe that they were fully straight, as if there's something wrong with suddenly realizing you're partly gay when there isn't. That would be homophobic, and that is analogous to what we're talking about but we're talking about someone discovering someone is trans.

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I look at it this way:

1) I am not sexually attracted to the female physique.
2) A woman transitions and no longer physically resembles a female.
3) The physical aspect of maleness before me is sexually arousing despite the biological gender.

Right. And if you thought they were a cis man and then you discover their DNA is actually similar to that of a cis woman, so what? What possible motive is there for pretending your body isn't reacting the way it just did a split second ago besides "OH NOES I'M SUPPOSED TO ONLY LIKE CIS MEN YUCK TRANS MAN! ICKY TRANS."

Or "OH NOES MY RELIGIOUS BELIEF NOT ALLOW IT EVEN THOUGH I FEEL IT! BETTER PRETEND NOT TO FEEL WHAT I FEEL! GOES AGAINST MY IDENTITY CAN'T LIKE CAN'T LIKE SCRATCH OUT SCRATCH OUT ERASE FROM MEMORY BURY IN THE SAND!"


Lulz.

[SaStrike]

Female brain? Male body? My inner bigot is getting triggered.

It would be more like female brain male body despite the invisible irrelevant chromosomes becomes female brain female body despite the invisible chromosomes, or male brain female body despite the invisible chromosomes becomes male brain male body despite the invisible irrelevant chromosomes.

"Wow they're hot. Oh shit they have different chromosomes to I thought! I am gonna act all not attracted now even though that doesn't actually change how my body or brain feels about how they actually are physically and mentally as a person."

Did you mean to quote me in your post? Because it doesn't apply to me. It's 2018, my brain has already developed a method to not get trapped. I simply am only attracted to females after I'm 100% certain they are female (born and currently). Checkmate atheists.

[notimportant1234]

Btw, I think homophobic is the apropriate term for this situation.

I don't because we are talking about someone who becomes phobic once discovering someone is trans, right? We're not talking about being phobic of someone once discovering the person is gay, we're talking about being phobic of someone once discovering that they are trans and not cis. As if that makes a difference to how attracted you are when it doesn't, but if you're anti-trans you've certainly going to act like you're no longer attracted even if you are.

I mean, sure, it would be similar to someone who believed they were a hereosexual man and then discovered they were attracted to another man and then suddenly pretended not to be and buried those feelings because they wanted to continue to believe that they were fully straight, as if there's something wrong with suddenly realizing you're partly gay when there isn't. That would be homophobic, and that is analogous to what we're talking about but we're talking about someone discovering someone is trans.

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Yes the phobia starts after  finding out that the person is trans but I think it is caused because the cis person doesn't see them as the oposit sex but the same sex thus the homophobia.
But they can stay calm, most cis persons who are atracted to trans persons are straight.

Edit: Anyway, you really got me digging into gender identity. Kudos for that.

[Edwardo Piet]

It would be more like female brain male body despite the invisible irrelevant chromosomes becomes female brain female body despite the invisible chromosomes, or male brain female body despite the invisible chromosomes becomes male brain male body despite the invisible irrelevant chromosomes.

"Wow they're hot. Oh shit they have different chromosomes to I thought! I am gonna act all not attracted now even though that doesn't actually change how my body or brain feels about how they actually are physically and mentally as a person."

Did you mean to quote me in your post? Because it doesn't apply to me. It's 2018, my brain has already developed a method to not get trapped. I simply am only attracted to females after I'm 100% certain they are female (born and currently). Checkmate atheists.

I meant to reply to you... I was correcting what you said.

I was sure you were joking, and it's unclear to me what your views are but I'm getting the impression you're being ironic, hence the "checkmate atheists", and you share my position entirely on this matter.

I just do this thing that when someone is joking or being sarcastic, if I find that taking them literally could result in a response on my part that I think would be useful to other members of the forum, then I go ahead and do that. Especially when the joke doesn't make me laugh, I find another use with it.

Don't feel bad for my lack of laughter though, it takes a LOT to make me laugh when I'm physically alone. It's almost impossible. If a person in RL is near suddenly it's easy for me to laugh which leads me to believe that, at least in my case, laughter is a social thing and humorous + social feelings emotions are required for me to actually laugh out loud for realsies.

[SaStrike]

Did you mean to quote me in your post? Because it doesn't apply to me. It's 2018, my brain has already developed a method to not get trapped. I simply am only attracted to females after I'm 100% certain they are female (born and currently). Checkmate atheists.

I meant to reply to you... I was correcting what you said.

I was sure you were joking, and it's unclear to me what your views are but I'm getting the impression you're being ironic, hence the "checkmate atheists", and you share my position entirely on this matter.

I just do this thing that when someone is joking or being sarcastic, if I find that taking them literally could result in a response on my part that I think would be useful to other members of the forum, then I go ahead and do that. Especially when the joke doesn't make me laugh, I find another use with it.

Don't feel bad for my lack of laughter though, it takes a LOT to make me laugh when I'm physically alone. It's almost impossible. If a person in RL is near suddenly it's easy for me to laugh which leads me to believe that, at least in my case, laughter is a social thing and humorous + social feelings emotions are required for me to actually laugh out loud for realsies.

Ok but in all seriousness there are only two genders. None of this "they" stuff please. It's he or she.

Back to the point I think you were trying to make; Nah I feel you are being a bit closed minded and too quick to call transphobic and bigot. What if a heterosexual male honestly loses attraction once finding out that it is a born male that changed to female? Like not denial but honestly does not.

[Edwardo Piet]

Yes the phobia starts after  finding out that the person is trans but I think it is caused because the cis person doesn't see them as the oposit sex but the same sex thus the homophobia.

Well, people who are transphobic are often homophobic but nowadays there are also a lot of people who are totally progressive with homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality and pansexuality.... but when it comes to transexuality and asexuality they suddenly become bigots.

That's another thing, I've noticed a lot of people who are anti-trans also think asexuality is "unatural," in like a necessarily unhealthy way, despite the fact it's perfectly natural and healthy for the asexual in question. It's no more "unatural" than homosexuality, or for that matter, heterosexuality, it's simply less common.

Transpeople get the most bigotry aimed at them out of all groups though. It's insanely common to the point that there's these highly progressive people who are literally bigoted about NOTHING except they don't get trans people. I'd go as far as saying even half otherwise progressive people are transphobic. Transphobia is insanely widespread and I think one of the next steps in fighting against bigotry is to have more consciousness raising about what it's like to be trans.

All homophobes are transphobes but not all transphobes are homophobes, I would say.

But they can stay calm, most cis persons who are atracted to trans persons are straight.

I'm glad someone gets it.

Edit: Anyway, you really got me digging into gender identity. Kudos for that.

You're very welcome.

[notimportant1234]

Well, there aren't a lot of progresive people where I am ,most of them are homophobic so I won't bother to discuss transsexuality with them.
But asexuality ? You would think that with the bible promoting abstinence asexuality would be desired.