Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book

[Rev. Rye]

Sheep trying to justify the actions of wolves. Love it!

To be fair, Beta Boy does have a point, that this is less about fucking little girls and more about taking cities, and leaving none alive but the girls young enough to not already be married, usually enslaving them, with many becoming full-fledged wives. Of course, the girls who weren't married tended to be pretty damn young, but I don't think that age itself was the factor in why they were kept alive (which would be pedophilia), and I highly doubt they understood pedophilia in anywhere near the same way we understand it.

If this is any different from what many other such tribes were doing in the Bronze age, it's probably because some civilizations didn't even spare the girls. That said, this verse is still a case study in why the Bible is simply not something we can take at face value as a guide to life today, because while some tidbits still ring true after two or three millennia (most of which can be found in other religions anyway), there's still so much that simply cannot apply because the situations then and now have changed that goddam much.

[The Grand Nudger]

Unfortunately, not an option for True Believers like Alpha or Atlas...they need to somehow make it right, because god either commands or condones it, explicitly, in their magic books. That's how we end up with the hilarious shit in this thread where one sticks his head in the sand and the other tries to pull our legs about it not being what it plainly was.

Captive taking is ubiquitous in human history. All the way across the ocean some native american tribes held captive talking to be the highest display of military prowess..far more difficult than killing. In some instances, captives were used to replenish numbers..with a captive assuming the name and property (and even family..wife and kids...or husband and kids - or their analogs) of a dead or missing member...or..you know, given the option to be boiled or sacrificed or ransomed or what have you.

Most probably chose to take on the new name and responsibilities, just like a little girl who watched some asshole brutally murder her entire family might decide that getting raped forever by her captor (or whomever she was sold as temp service too) was preferable to death.

[Jackie]

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Where in the Quran or the OT does it say not to have sex with children?

[John V]

Where in the Quran or the OT does it say not to have sex with children?

The OT doesn't say it directly. But, in Ezekiel, there's an analogy of Israel as a growing female:

Ezekiel 16
5 No eye pitied you, to do any of these things to you out of compassion for you, but you were cast out on the open field, for you were abhorred, on the day that you were born.

6 “And when I passed by you and saw you wallowing in your blood, I said to you in your blood, ‘Live!’ I said to you in your blood, ‘Live!’ 7 I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare.

8 “When I passed by you again and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord God, and you became mine.

So, the age for love is after puberty has arrived.

[Edwardo Piet]

When I read such passages, I assume that they waited until any girls below marriageable age reached such age.

So, basically, you added your own text in, in an attempt to make your favorite abominable book seem less abominable to you. Noted.

[Jackie]

Where in the Quran or the OT does it say not to have sex with children?

The OT doesn't say it directly. But, in Ezekiel, there's an analogy of Israel as a growing female:

Ezekiel 16
5 No eye pitied you, to do any of these things to you out of compassion for you, but you were cast out on the open field, for you were abhorred, on the day that you were born.

6 “And when I passed by you and saw you wallowing in your blood, I said to you in your blood, ‘Live!’ I said to you in your blood, ‘Live!’ 7 I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare.

8 “When I passed by you again and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord God, and you became mine.

So, the age for love is after puberty has arrived.

Bullshit. AGAIN, none of that meant over the age of 18. Females can get pubic hair as early as 10 and they can also show breasts in their early teens. You cannot retrofit our modern views of females in the west to the interpretations of the humans back then.

AND again the DEUT verse you posted PRIOR has condoned taking females "captive". 

Deut 21

10 “When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand AND YOU TAKE THEM CAPTIVE". <------KIDNAPPING, wrongful imprisonment. 

"And she shall take off the clothes IN WHICH SHE WAS CAPTURED". <----- No consent, in the word "CAPTURED".

"After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife."


So after she is CAPTURED the male can force her to marry her. There is no way you can take that out of context.

Now you want to claim that this is metaphor for an entire nation? BULLSHIT, neither of those verses where talking about a nation, but rules on how to treat females as prizes of war. 



Now go up read what I quoted, then read your full quote below.

"Deut 21

10 “When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive, 11 and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife, 12 and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails. 13 And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. 14 But if you no longer delight in her, you shall let her go where she wants. But you shall not sell her for money, nor shall you treat her as a slave, since you have humiliated her."

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Where in the Quran or the OT does it say not to have sex with children?

The OT doesn't say it directly. But, in Ezekiel, there's an analogy of Israel as a growing female:

Ezekiel 16
5 No eye pitied you, to do any of these things to you out of compassion for you, but you were cast out on the open field, for you were abhorred, on the day that you were born.

6 “And when I passed by you and saw you wallowing in your blood, I said to you in your blood, ‘Live!’ I said to you in your blood, ‘Live!’ 7 I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare.

8 “When I passed by you again and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord God, and you became mine.

So, the age for love is after puberty has arrived.

True, if you're going to fuck an entire country. 

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When I read such passages, I assume that they waited until any girls below marriageable age reached such age.

So, basically, you added your own text in, in an attempt to make your favorite abominable book seem less abominable to you. Noted.

All religious people have to either add or subtract from the holy texts. They're vile when taken en toto.

[robvalue]

"What God really means is this..."

I'm always amazed by the arrogance of this, as well as the implication that God needs help to communicate properly.

[WinterHold]