Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book

[The Grand Nudger]

You'll find all of that in magic book as well.  At some point you're going to have to let magic book be what it is and decide whether or not you have an issue with that.  At some point you have to stop blaming sunni and shia for the faults of magic book.

Killing apostates doesn't exist.

...tell that to the dead apostates?

Taking slaves doesn't exist.

...............what on earth?  

You failed to prove that taking slaves exist. Bring a verse about executing people for leaving Islam; as an evidence for your accusation. Or else: they become 2 loose claims.

Your......magic.....book. Why don't you go read it? Honestly? Can you explain to me, to anyone.... to yourself, why you're here tripping over your own dick..rather than reading magic book, right now?

Can you explain to me, to anyone...or to yourself, why apologetics exist to excuse these very things in magic book? Do you really think that those apologists are just making shit up in order to excuse it..that all of that effort has been expended for nothing? Can you even hear yourself right now? I get that you want to argue with me, for batshit believer's reasons..but..that's not the problem. It has nothing to do with me. Go argue with them. Go argue with magic book.

[WinterHold]

Killing apostates doesn't exist.

...tell that to the dead apostates?  

Taking slaves doesn't exist.

...............what on earth?  

You failed to prove that taking slaves exist. Bring a verse about executing people for leaving Islam; as an evidence for your accusation. Or else: they become 2 loose claims.

Your......magic.....book.  Why don't you go read it?  Honestly?  Can you explain to me, to anyone.... to yourself, why you're here tripping over your own dick..rather than reading magic book, right now?

Can you explain to me, to anyone...or to yourself, why apologetics exist to excuse these very things in magic book?  Do you really think that those apologists are just making shit up in order to excuse it..that all of that effort has been expended for nothing?  Can you even hear yourself right now?  I get that you want to argue with me, for batshit believer's reasons..but..that's not the problem.  It has nothing to do with me.  Go argue with them.  Go argue with magic book.

Thank you. That means that the accusation you made against the Quran, containing explicit direct verses that advocate slavery is false. Case closed until your bring the non-existing evidence.

[The Grand Nudger]

Your. Magic. Book.

......Maybe you should read it, then get back back to me with the abc's of apologism............?

[Drich]

What are you talking about? when has the principles/morality of man ever aligned themselves in a setting/for a time outside the garden?
Never.
We have never lived in 'moral alignment' with God where Man's law and God's law were synced. That is the whole Reason for Christ. to bridge the gap between our failed morality and His righteousness.

[The Grand Nudger]

Some god, some righteousness.  Tell you what..imma go ahead and keep morally failing by not stealing peoples daughters and raping them.

[Smain]

Well i guess having sex with a 9 year old woman, i guess its not pedophilia

Just kidding.

But this is more of a islamic problem than a christian problem. Because Muslims have to followed muhammad's example. And he banged a 9 year old, he wanted to bang her at 6, but according to abu bakr recommended to wait til it was more mature.. so 9 i guess. and 65:4 says something about pedophilia too in the quran, read ibn kathir commentary for more context on it.


Btw i think i get where this pedophilia stuff in traditional past comes from. Something about women children of israel is mentioned in the bible somewhere, now it is not said what happend to them, were they slaves, married, or hanged around. Really ambigious but its the closest to the claim. And i dont really think it matters if Joseph banged mary at the age of 14, since i really dont think in modern times it is a problem to say just because they did stuff back then doesnt mean we have to do it today.

Like in no where does Jesus say "Let children come to me to get laid" like that just aint in there. Besides they can cherry pick new testament verses as "let marriage be held in honour" as far as i know pedophilia is kinda disgusting and abusive way in this time.

But even if pedophilia was allowed in the bible, it still would be wrong, like create a new religious cult or something on obvious good vs evil and say Islam and Christianity is most likely gonna send you to hell. Problem solved.

But the point is this is more a muslim problem than a christianity one. Muhammad was afterall into a 9 year old woman so i guess its not pedophilia if you put it like that (ironc). But yeah, its wrong more the less. So this is more a islamic religiouc culture problem, this is what happens when a religion dont addopt humanism as christianity does. I would rather live in a Christian country over a islamic one, and this really is nothing about who has the biggest penis. It just is a fact that western countries who happens to have christianity developed in 14th century humanism, to look at humans as if they have a value. Islam just doesnt have that.

For example, where do you think female genital mutulation comes from? Culture only? No its religious culture. Circumcission in hadiths is neutral word in terms of fitrah or whatever its called. Well the arabic word is neutral to gender, so some interpret this to mean you should cut the foreskin above the clit to a woman.
Edit: Or to clear up, it is mostly cultural even in Christian african countries. But the overall justisification is in the islamic sources more or less, not in the bible. But yeah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_gen...n#Religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_...tion#Islam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_...Sunni_view

" A hadith in Sahih Bukhari says: "I heard the Prophet saying. "Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, cutting the moustaches short, clipping the nails, and depilating the hair of the armpits."[59] Mohamed Salim Al-Awwa writes that it is unclear whether these requirements were meant for females.[60]"


So yeah. Either case i rest my case

[Joods]

Dude posting the same thing across different threads is rude.

[WinterHold]

Btw i think i get where this pedophilia stuff in traditional past comes from. Something about women children of israel is mentioned in the bible somewhere, now it is not said what happend to them, were they slaves, married, or hanged around. Really ambigious but its the closest to the claim. And i dont really think it matters if Joseph banged mary at the age of 14, since i really dont think in modern times it is a problem to say just because they did stuff back then doesnt mean we have to do it today.

The verses in the OP are all:
1-From the old testament
2-All can be tracked with verses name and chapter name inside the bible


For example; this biblical text that I quoted:

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

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Moses is specified by the name, the chapter is specified, the verse is specified.
So I don't understand your point.

Like in no where does Jesus say "Let children come to me to get laid" like that just aint in there. Besides they can cherry pick new testament verses as "let marriage be held in honour" as far as i know pedophilia is kinda disgusting and abusive way in this time.

But even if pedophilia was allowed in the bible, it still would be wrong, like create a new religious cult or something on obvious good vs evil and say Islam and Christianity is most likely gonna send you to hell. Problem solved.

Saying "do whatever you like with the young" includes doing everything you like with the young.
If you're a pedo, it means the inclusion of pedophilia.

But the point is this is more a muslim problem than a christianity one. Muhammad was afterall into a 9 year old woman so i guess its not pedophilia if you put it like that (ironc). But yeah, its wrong more the less. So this is more a islamic religiouc culture problem, this is what happens when a religion dont addopt humanism as christianity does. I would rather live in a Christian country over a islamic one, and this really is nothing about who has the biggest penis. It just is a fact that western countries who happens to have christianity developed in 14th century humanism, to look at humans as if they have a value. Islam just doesnt have that.

Not exactly.
Wikipedia lists many different opinions about "the 9 years old" marriage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage

Aisha's age at the time she was married to Muhammad has been of interest since the earliest days of Islam, and references to her age by early historians are frequent.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-spellberg40-11][11] According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad with the marriage not being consummated until she had reached the age of nine or ten years old

More like a "Sunni opinion", not an "Islamic opinion". Are you Sunni? you share the same beliefs with Sunnies.
Your opinion about where you want to live is not my concern, it's "your concern". Do you want a visa to the EU? ride the death boats and try your luck if you couldn't get a visa.

For example, where do you think female genital mutulation comes from?

Open a different topic.

Here we're speaking about pedophilia in the bible; so don't distract the OP; please.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Nothing proved controversial more than the explicit sexual references in the bible.
Across time, the early Romans added their share of horrible verses, the least that can be said about them is that they won't fit in a normal brain.

As an example, we have this verse:

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

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No sane person will read this, and stay a Christian. This is outdated madness of sick, criminal minds. If this is God's prophet; then to hell with God and his prophet. Both.

But it's not God. This is the Roman Catholic Church talking; this is the reality of ancient Romans.

Moreover:

When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14

Moreover:

Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh ... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught. [url=http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/jg/21.html#20]Judges 21:20-23

A sane person will not believe in this. A sane person will never justify this.
This is explicit. This is straight language, talking about "the soldiers of God" being allowed to enslave and do whatever they like to children.

How the hell does somebody sleep at night, knowing that they believe in the above?
How would somebody sane enough, becomes a defender of the above?

That is beyond me..

The stories are designed to compel complete obedience and loyalty to the Boss.  The Bible was written after the establishment of Islam and the start of the Islamic wars.  Having such stories gave the Christians a basis for engaging in all-out war against the invaders.  So when a Christian commander ordered his troops to kill all of the enemy regrdless of their status they would do it because their priests had been preaching that it  was part of their religion.  It's the same thing that the Spanish Christians did to the Indians in the Western Hemisphere they came in contact with.  Americans did it as well but not as much.  And then we went all out in WWII against the Japanese and 70% against the Nazis.