I will become Atheist if.....

[Amarok]

^Goodness is to submit to guidance from the source of guidance. Not to determine it by our whims.

Bullshit

Guidance is for missiles and submission is for wrestling and papers and kinky sex .

[robvalue]

^Goodness is to submit to guidance from the source of guidance. Not to determine it by our whims.

Bullshit

Guidance is for missiles and submission is for wrestling and papers and kinky sex .

Right. Sounds more like being a mindless drone. It's amoral at best. With no way to evaluate for ourselves, we could be carrying out the orders of a horrible monster.

[Edwardo Piet]

There is a Theistic framework and Atheistic framework.

All it means it's the realm of how the world can possibly be perceived through that stance.

Islam doesn't have an official stance regarding anything really, for almost everything there is consensus, there is dispute, even the unity of God has different interpretations.

And even what Messengerhood means, and what Prophethood means has not been agreed upon by Muslims.

It's a framework though. And Shiite sect there is divisions on almost every issue, same with the Twelver sect, there isn't much unity.

No, there is science and there is mythology.

The best thing to ever come out of Mythology, is this game:

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MK, ask yourself this:  Could our species survive if we didn’t care about each other’s well being?  How many babies would survive to childhood if mothers threw them out of a third story window every time they screamed in the middle of the night?  If we don’t care about each other, we go instinct.

Extinct

LOL.  I’ll leave the error so others can have a snicker at my expense.  😁

WTF are you talking about LFC??!?!?!? None of your true friends would EVER do such a thing.

If we don’t care about each other, we go instinct.

And it's our biological extinct to not go instinct

P.S. If anyone just saw me make fun of LFC, I have it on the good authority of a certain non-existent diety that didn't write a non-magic bullshit book, that you're all hallucinating and I didn't make fun of LFC at all. Stop hallucinating. That's what a little birdie told me, and by "little birdie" I mean a certain non-existent diety that didn't wrote a non-magic bullshit book.

So, we're clear? Good. Now a certain non-existent diety that didn't write a non-magic bullshit book doesn't have to not order me to exterminate you.

[The Grand Nudger]

Bullshit

Guidance is for missiles and submission is for wrestling and papers and kinky sex .

Right. Sounds more like being a mindless drone. It's amoral at best. With no way to evaluate for ourselves, we could be carrying out the orders of a horrible monster.

That's the value of a drone...they'll do monstrous things you couldn't get any decent person to do.  I guess that's useful if you're trying to conquer the middle east...then as much as now.

[chimp3]

I am getting awfully bored...so I am going to give you guys the best opportunity to bring me to the dark side which will allow me to do all these things I really want to do but restrict myself from doing!


1. You can rationally justify belief in a value of a human being in the framework of Atheism (and I am using this definition as in non-belief in supernatural gods).
2. You can rationally justify you being the same person as a child with that framework, that despite all the changes, you are the same person.
3. You can rationally justify your actions being linked to who you are and there is a such thing as "better" or "worse" when it comes to humans.
4.  You can rationally justify the belief in justice with your framework.
5. You can rationally justify the nature of love that has language that judges all things and gives value to all things from your framework.

I am not saying you have to do all 5. You can do 1. Trust me, my faith will fall and shred, if you can and I'm not joking.  It will shred.

So ball is in your court.

I don't understand what any of these 5 statements has to do with atheism. They have more to do with the limitations placed on humans by other humans who believe in any god. "You can not have a moral foundation without "god". So we are told. Perhaps what would help you to shred your beliefs is to put these 5 challenges to Sunnis, Sufis, Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Santeros, and Bahais. Then realize why this disparate group supports their argument with the same types of proofs you do. Then try to justify yours as superior. Not to me, to them.

[Mystic]

I am actually starting to believe you guys don't understand and are honest that you don't. The replies don't take account of all the things I've been stating regarding these in the past four years, even as a Deist.

It seems people don't really register what I say, probably, because I haven't explained it properly.

[LadyForCamus]

I am actually starting to believe you guys don't understand and are honest that you don't. The replies don't take account of all the things I've been stating regarding these in the past four years, even as a Deist.

It seems people don't really register what I say, probably, because I haven't explained it properly.

I think definitions are a problem for you.

[chimp3]

I am actually starting to believe you guys don't understand and are honest that you don't. The replies don't take account of all the things I've been stating regarding these in the past four years, even as a Deist.

It seems people don't really register what I say, probably, because I haven't explained it properly.

I think I have understood, but disagreed with you, Oh Holy One!

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^Goodness is to submit to guidance from the source of guidance. Not to determine it by our whims.

Bullshit

Guidance is for missiles and submission is for wrestling and papers and kinky sex .

I like to watch Sumo and Judo competitions. Guidance!

[bennyboy]

I am actually starting to believe you guys don't understand and are honest that you don't. The replies don't take account of all the things I've been stating regarding these in the past four years, even as a Deist.

It seems people don't really register what I say, probably, because I haven't explained it properly.

It's because you say goofy stuff that nobody can relate to.