I will become Atheist if.....

[Mystic]

There is a Theistic framework and Atheistic framework.

All it means it's the realm of how the world can possibly be perceived through that stance.

Islam doesn't have an official stance regarding anything really, for almost everything there is consensus, there is dispute, even the unity of God has different interpretations.

And even what Messengerhood means, and what Prophethood means has not been agreed upon by Muslims.

It's a framework though. And Shiite sect there is divisions on almost every issue, same with the Twelver sect, there isn't much unity.

[Brian37]

There is a Theistic framework and Atheistic framework.

All it means it's the realm of how the world can possibly be perceived through that stance.

Islam doesn't have an official stance regarding anything really, for almost everything there is consensus, there is dispute, even the unity of God has different interpretations.

And even what Messengerhood means, and what Prophethood means has not been agreed upon by Muslims.

It's a framework though. And Shiite sect there is divisions on almost every issue, same with the Twelver sect, there isn't much unity.

No, there is science and there is mythology.

[LadyForCamus]

MK, ask yourself this:  Could our species survive if we didn’t care about each other’s well being?  How many babies would survive to childhood if mothers threw them out of a third story window every time they screamed in the middle of the night?  If we don’t care about each other, we go instinct.

Extinct

LOL.  I’ll leave the error so others can have a snicker at my expense.  😁

[robvalue]

I read the OP as, "I'm tired of carrying around this religious dogma, but I don't feel comfortable letting go of it until I have some other belief system to replace it with".

I can understand that, it could seem weird for someone raised in a heavily religious setting to develop their own ideas from the ground up. It's like leaving an on-rails shooter and entering an open-world RPG. My advice would be to embrace this as an opportunity rather than worrying about the uncertainty. There's no need to come to all your conclusions at once.

[Mister Agenda]

I thought you weren’t going to talk about god and religion here anymore?  That lasted like...a month.

That's actually not a bad run, considering how bad people generally are at keeping promises like that.

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There is a Theistic framework and Atheistic framework.

All it means it's the realm of how the world can possibly be perceived through that stance.

Islam doesn't have an official stance regarding anything really, for almost everything there is consensus, there is dispute, even the unity of God has different interpretations.

And even what Messengerhood means, and what Prophethood means has not been agreed upon by Muslims.

It's a framework though. And Shiite sect there is divisions on almost every issue, same with the Twelver sect, there isn't much unity.

You're making the case that not even Islam amounts to a framework, not that atheism does. Why can you understand that about Islam and not atheism?

[Amarok]

There is a Theistic framework and Atheistic framework.

Nope no such animal exists

[bennyboy]

My dog told me God is made up.

Probably legit, I'm gonna go ahead and believe him. All hail the beagle!

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There is a Theistic framework and Atheistic framework.

All it means it's the realm of how the world can possibly be perceived through that stance.

Islam doesn't have an official stance regarding anything really, for almost everything there is consensus, there is dispute, even the unity of God has different interpretations.

And even what Messengerhood means, and what Prophethood means has not been agreed upon by Muslims.

It's a framework though. And Shiite sect there is divisions on almost every issue, same with the Twelver sect, there isn't much unity.

I don't think "framework" means what you think it means.

[The Valkyrie]

Not my job to deconvert you.

If you have doubts do some investigating.

There are plenty of resources online.

Ultimately whether you want to believe or not, it's up to you, and, hopefully, nothing anonymous strangers online say should have any real bearing on your decision.

[chimp3]

I am getting awfully bored...so I am going to give you guys the best opportunity to bring me to the dark side which will allow me to do all these things I really want to do but restrict myself from doing!


1. You can rationally justify belief in a value of a human being in the framework of Atheism (and I am using this definition as in non-belief in supernatural gods).
2. You can rationally justify you being the same person as a child with that framework, that despite all the changes, you are the same person.
3. You can rationally justify your actions being linked to who you are and there is a such thing as "better" or "worse" when it comes to humans.
4.  You can rationally justify the belief in justice with your framework.
5. You can rationally justify the nature of love that has language that judges all things and gives value to all things from your framework.

I am not saying you have to do all 5. You can do 1. Trust me, my faith will fall and shred, if you can and I'm not joking.  It will shred.

So ball is in your court.

I do not care what you believe MK! I am not an evangelist.  I just love to argue, my favorite sport.

[The Grand Nudger]

There is a Theistic framework and Atheistic framework.

Not for any of the questions you asked, there isn't, lol.  Every answer I would give is equally open to a believer. They're only "atheistic" to borrow the believers ridiculous terminology..in that they don't need reference of a god..but if there were a god..they would still be my answers, and the existence of a god couldn't touch them.

Either the big guy and I agree on those or we don't..but I doubt either of us is going to lose sleep on account of it. Between the three of us, him, you, and I..you're the only one with a hangup in the first place.