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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 12:56 pm
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I hope you can appreciate the irony in responding the way you did to one of the few moral realists on the board............
In any case, if you want to present a dichotomy that the quran is either true guidance or misguidance..it's the latter by default.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm
haha, so why did you deny the premise of guidance?
That's a description of love's language, guidance.
And the true guidance is from an absolute source.
So you disputed such a thing as guidance.
If morality can't guide our actions, what is it?
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm
What the fuck are you talking about?
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm
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(April 2, 2018 at 12:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. There is such thing as real guidance (moral guidance that love acts by)
Define "real guidance." (What is this "moral guidance that love acts by" according to you?)
Quote:2. The real guidance would be guidance from God or otherwise impossible.
Nope. Either love resides in human brains or not at all.
Quote:3. Therefore God exists.
This "real guidance" that you speak of 1. Needs defining and 2. You need to demonstrate that it cannot exist without a god.
The problem with your conclusion is they both rest of two questionable premises. Or in other words, the structure and conclusion from the premises is valid but the premises, and therefore argument as a whole, because it entirely rests on them, is unsound.
Validity doesn't get you there. You need soundness.
Watch me make a valid argument on equal footing with yours.
1. There is such a thing as real magic.
2. Real magic would be from real spell-casting wizards or otherwise impossible.
3. Therefore real spell-casting wizards exist
^ This argument is valid but not sound, just like yours.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm
(April 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: What the fuck are you talking about?
Guidance, honey. 
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 12:59 pm
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(April 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: haha, so why did you deny the premise of guidance?
That's a description of love's language, guidance.
And the true guidance is from an absolute source.
So you disputed such a thing as guidance.
If morality can't guide our actions, what is it?
You didn;t assert that our morality guided our actions. Would you like to reformulate your argument?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 12:59 pm
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(April 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm)Hammy Wrote: (April 2, 2018 at 12:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. There is such thing as real guidance (moral guidance that love acts by)
Define "real guidance."
I put in parenthesis.
(April 2, 2018 at 12:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (April 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: haha, so why did you deny the premise of guidance?
That's a description of love's language, guidance.
And the true guidance is from an absolute source.
So you disputed such a thing as guidance.
If morality can't guide our actions, what is it?
You didn;t assert that our morality guided our actions. Would you like to reformulate your argument? Read what I wrote in the parenthesis.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 1:01 pm
(April 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (April 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: What the fuck are you talking about?
Guidance, honey.
Guidance assumes the existence of a guide. You wouldn’t be assuming your conclusion, now would you?
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 1:01 pm
Are you going to reformulate your argument, or not?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 1:01 pm
(April 2, 2018 at 10:15 am)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. Moral argument
...Say: Surely the (true) guidance is the guidance of Allah-- that one may be given (by Him) the like of what you were given; or they would contend with you by an argument before your Lord. Say: Surely grace is in the hand of Allah, He gives it to whom He pleases; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing.
This is also proves the proper religion in abstract and consequently even in it's instance form. But the discussion is the moral argument.
Will be posting more verses that are instances of the moral argument. Then move on to different arguments for God in Quran.
Where's the "argument"? 
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