The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God
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The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God
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 (May 2, 2018 at 11:18 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Late to the party, but I gotta say, I don't like your argument, Hams. I get that it is meant to push a theist's own illogic back in his/her face, and it's good for that purpose. But so many false premises, man. Wowza!But i don't think it was meant for much else
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
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May 2, 2018 at 11:22 am
(This post was last modified: May 2, 2018 at 11:23 am by robvalue.)
Be careful also about the equivocation between the two meanings of "law":
1) A declaration that certain actions will be met with certain consequences (in its simplest form) 2) A literal restriction which shapes what can and can't happen (such as gravity) Clearly there is no moral law with regard to the second definition. There should be, if God was concerned, as Hammy noted earlier. But apparently he thinks limiting our ability to jump to the moon is more important than limiting our ability to smash a baby's head in with a wrench.  RE: The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God
May 2, 2018 at 11:27 am
(This post was last modified: May 2, 2018 at 11:28 am by vulcanlogician.)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God
May 2, 2018 at 11:37 am
(This post was last modified: May 2, 2018 at 11:38 am by robvalue.)
It's pretty easy to show that anyone who "believes" in objective morality doesn't actually care about it. Well, except a few psychotic theists I have come across.
What opinions about what is moral and what is not would you be prepared to reverse if you discovered that you were objectively incorrect about them? (Or for theists, you find out God declares the opposite of what you had previously thought.) That's a different thread I was going to make before actually. Hmm. My answer is that I wouldn't change my opinion about anything. I couldn't care less what the "moral facts" are, if such a thing is coherent.
@Rob
If you make dat thread I'll be there. Personally, I'd be willing to change my moral appraisal of -anything- in favor of an objective demonstration to the contrary. That's not going to change a host of other things about my opinion of that x, though.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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May 2, 2018 at 12:03 pm
(This post was last modified: May 2, 2018 at 12:04 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (May 2, 2018 at 11:49 am)Khemikal Wrote: @Rob I'll go do that then, cool cheers 
RE: The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God
May 2, 2018 at 2:06 pm
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Quote:Natural Law and belief in God go hand in hand.law and moral facts are not the same things . And even then a theory of natural laws has shang all to do with magic ogity bogity. Natural moral theology is bunkum
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
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