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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 1:40 pm
This is going nowhere fast. Let's try a different tack.
Ybe, ball is now in your court. Present your case. Why should I make even the slightest attempt to even pretend to believe in your god? What's in it for me?
Do I gain any powers such as the ability to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of their women?
No? How about a magic spell like Polymorph Self? Befriend Dragon? Summon Chocolate?
What can you and your alleged god possibly offer me that's better than:
- Viewing the rings of Saturn, the M42 Orion nebula, or a total solar eclipse
- Schmoozing with the neighbour's cat on a sunny afternoon
- Practising the "Chaconne" from Holst's First Suite on my clarinet
- Or enjoying two fingers of a quality single-malt Scotch or a handful of Mini-Eggs?
Quite frankly, your beliefs look rather dry and unappetizing.
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 1:42 pm
(May 25, 2018 at 12:36 pm)Ybe Wrote: Now back to the Q. Is there any logical. reasonable. rational reason to be an A? Yes.
If someone does not believe in any gods or deities, then it is logical for them to be an atheist.
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 1:43 pm
Dunning Kruger effect in the religious? Say it ain't so.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 1:47 pm
(May 25, 2018 at 2:06 am)Astreja Wrote: (May 25, 2018 at 1:53 am)Ybe Wrote: ...Lots of people hold views that are unreasonable.
... In my view, you're a pretentious idiot who thinks he can "logic" his imaginary friend into existence by declaring contrary viewpoints to be unreasonable... Please do not take what I say to mean you are not intelligent or not able to reason.
For example think about what you said, (he can "logic" his imaginary friend into existence). You assert I have an Imaginary friend.
Why should anyone accept your statement?
It seems you support your view by; my view is my view and, so it is true, because it is true.
If that is your logic ( please state your logic if otherwise), then let's apply that logic to X's view...
X view ( earth is flat like a pancake ).
<YB a flat earth-er??
"Logical or not logical, I am" an X.
Now X says, you're a pretentious idiot who thinks he can "logic" his imaginary round earth into existence by declaring contrary viewpoints to be unreasonable...
Yet the truth remains; either Spherical or not Spherical. (No middle there).
Saying I have no belief in Spherical worlds or you're an idiot doesn't make X's posit reasonable, does it?
There is no demand for you change views, only asked for a logical, rational reason for holding the view you support.
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 1:51 pm
(May 25, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Ybe Wrote: (May 25, 2018 at 2:06 am)Astreja Wrote: ... In my view, you're a pretentious idiot who thinks he can "logic" his imaginary friend into existence by declaring contrary viewpoints to be unreasonable... Please do not take what I say to mean you are not intelligent or not able to reason.
For example think about what you said, (he can "logic" his imaginary friend into existence). You assert I have an Imaginary friend.
Why should anyone accept your statement?
It seems you support your view by; my view is my view and, so it is true, because it is true.
If that is your logic ( please state your logic if otherwise), then let's apply that logic to X's view...
X view ( earth is flat like a pancake ).
<YB a flat earth-er??
"Logical or not logical, I am" an X.
Now X says, you're a pretentious idiot who thinks he can "logic" his imaginary round earth into existence by declaring contrary viewpoints to be unreasonable...
Yet the truth remains; either Spherical or not Spherical. (No middle there).
Saying I have no belief in Spherical worlds or you're an idiot doesn't make X's posit reasonable, does it?
There is no demand for you change views, only asked for a logical, rational reason for holding the view you support. Once again in English please.
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 1:59 pm
(This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 1:59 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 25, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Ybe Wrote: There is no demand for you change views, only asked for a logical, rational reason for holding the view you support.
Which you've been given, repeatedly. If a person does not believe in god..it is immanently rational for them to be an atheist.
What would be balls to the wall crazy..is for a person who didn;t believe in god to be a theist.
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 2:06 pm
Apparently, our new chew toy believes in fairies, elves and unicorns along with his gawd since it's obviously (in his twisted mind) irrational to not believe in them based on the lack of evidence for them.
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 2:12 pm
(This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 2:12 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
I B in A. In fact I like 2 B in A. A nice pert A. I put the D in A.
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 2:22 pm
(May 25, 2018 at 6:00 am)To robvalue Wrote: RV: ...putting the microscope on the wrong side... YB: Agreed, there are 2 sides. Either (A) or (not A). Inspection is about if A side is reasonable or not.
RV: We're talking about...
YB: A or not A
RV: A simple example from your side could destroy my entire case.
Ybe: Your case being, A side is reasonable? (Just focusing here).
RV: 1) Incoherent: lacking any useful meaning, or so vague as to provide no substance.
This is, of course, subjective. I'm not claiming to be perfect. I'm responding to reality on its own terms, and the claims I'm given to the best of my ability. I'd be very interested in something actually real here, so it's in my interest to try and fish out anything that could lead to something. If I can't understand something, I can't evaluate it. That's a fact I just can't get around. I always encourage people to explain (as you're doing) and allow them to get around my barriers if they wish.
YB: I will have to take this a little at a time. Re your above. Sorry, a few terms I need defined to understand and evaluate.
vague -
substance -
subjective -
perfect -
reality/real -
fact -
(You can just type or past them to the above, if you like). Short and simple hopefully.
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RE: Ybe an atheist
May 25, 2018 at 2:30 pm
(May 25, 2018 at 2:22 pm)Ybe Wrote: (May 25, 2018 at 6:00 am)To robvalue Wrote: RV: ...putting the microscope on the wrong side... YB: Agreed, there are 2 sides. Either (A) or (not A). Inspection is about if A side is reasonable or not.
RV: We're talking about...
YB: A or not A
RV: A simple example from your side could destroy my entire case.
Ybe: Your case being, A side is reasonable? (Just focusing here).
RV: 1) Incoherent: lacking any useful meaning, or so vague as to provide no substance.
This is, of course, subjective. I'm not claiming to be perfect. I'm responding to reality on its own terms, and the claims I'm given to the best of my ability. I'd be very interested in something actually real here, so it's in my interest to try and fish out anything that could lead to something. If I can't understand something, I can't evaluate it. That's a fact I just can't get around. I always encourage people to explain (as you're doing) and allow them to get around my barriers if they wish.
YB: I will have to take this a little at a time. Re your above. Sorry, a few terms I need defined to understand and evaluate.
vague -
substance -
subjective -
perfect -
reality/real -
fact -
(You can just type or past them to the above, if you like). Short and simple hopefully. I don't think god exists because I have never been convinced by the arguments or "evidence" for a god.
I also find the idea of a god overly simplistic, childlike, to think the universe exists as some sort of story rather than the unfeeling thing it is.
It is way for the powerless to feel powerful.
They can control the volcano god if they pray to the sprit in the mountain.
it is placebo for the feeble minded.
I think the that the idea of god is silly, therefore I am an atheist.
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