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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 3:37 pm
(June 5, 2018 at 3:28 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 3:12 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Wait your actually trying to twist the narrative, The Baker does wedding cakes except for homosexuals, that is denying homosexuals a service that is offered to everyone else, who cares if he offered them a cookie instead. Also the fact that he doesn't do bachelor and Halloween parties doesn't make your point either, because those services are not offered at all to anyone.
I believe that they would refuse a straight person who wanted a cake for the same reason as well.
For a wedding?
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 3:41 pm
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(June 5, 2018 at 2:19 pm)Shell B Wrote: You're telling people it's none of their business what our Supreme Court does if they don't live here. So, does that mean what you see as human right's violations in other parts of the world are none of your business? That kind of goes against the Republican invade and kill mantra.
If you think it's perfectly fine deny service to gay people because they're gay, you're not a fan, buddy.
What kind of human rights violations are you talking about? Genocide? ….or that of the Christian Baker whose rights were violated by a state agency that was created to protect people's civil rights whom the SCOTUS determined was hostile and bigoted toward the Baker's religious views? The SCOTUS ruling in this instance had little to do with the gay rights issue....but that this particular Colorado state agency showed no neutrality when considering this case and they showed an obvious hostility and bias when they ruled against the Baker. Read Justice Kennedy's response.
I am pleasantly surprised, though, that you showed such a concern for the civil rights of this Christian Baker whose rights were violated by a state agency.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 3:46 pm
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I love that the christians view of "civil rights" is the notion that people should be protected when they discriminate.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 3:47 pm
(June 5, 2018 at 3:33 pm)Joods Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 3:28 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I believe that they would refuse a straight person who wanted a cake for the same reason as well.
If they refused to make wedding cakes for straight people as well as gay people, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I don't think that it matters if one is heterosexual or homosexual. They don't do cakes for same sex unions.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 3:49 pm
Then..........it does matter, after all....
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 3:51 pm
(June 5, 2018 at 3:47 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 3:33 pm)Joods Wrote: If they refused to make wedding cakes for straight people as well as gay people, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I don't think that it matters if one is heterosexual or homosexual. They don't do cakes for same sex unions.
Would it not be discrimination to refuse to make cakes for black weddings, if the person trying to buy the cake was white?
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 3:56 pm
(June 5, 2018 at 3:46 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I love that the christians view of "civil rights" is the notion that people should be protected when they discriminate. ….yeah, and I love how a State creates a "civil rights commission" that's supposed to protect people's rights and then fills it with anti Christian bigots.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 4:00 pm
USian politics.
Over here, open commercial places have the perrogative in not serving alcoholized people or people that might show mental distress. In cases of doubt, cops. Otherwise, its not allowed to expel someone from a place you pay the government to remain open, by gender, religious, race,... motives.
This is always easily said than done.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 4:25 pm
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 5, 2018 at 4:35 pm
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(June 5, 2018 at 3:56 pm)A Theist Wrote: (June 5, 2018 at 3:46 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I love that the christians view of "civil rights" is the notion that people should be protected when they discriminate. ….yeah, and I love how a State creates a "civil rights commission" that's supposed to protect people's rights and then fills it with anti Christian bigots.
That might move more people if "anti christian bigot" meant something other than " a person who isn;t interested in letting christians discriminate"......
-don;t you think? I use the term christian loosely, ofc..........not really all that good at the loving your fellow man or giving unto ceaser bits..now are you?
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