Preist slaps crying baby in the face at baptism

[Joods]

As a mother, it absolutely floors me that anyone would just stand there watching someone else slap their kid like that. It is not acceptable and I hope the article gets around enough that law enforcement actually does something.

[Rev. Rye]

Well, in Catholicism, baptism is generally held to be the one thing keeping the baby from eternal damnation, and, according to the Catechism, "The Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after birth." They may not have been immediately browbeaten into it, but they were probably conditioned into just going with it.

Because apparently some christians believe god will send babies to hell, unless some ritual is performed that they're too young to understand?

Yes. The doctrine is called "Infant Damnation." To be fair, Catholicism (at least the mainstream kind) isn't comfortable with the idea of God sending babies that young to Hell, and the Catechism's official statement is they generally hope God does the right thing. Honestly, I think it's as much an initiation ritual as anything else.

[LadyForCamus]

I didn’t watch the video, I read the article though. How awful

If you’re sensitive to that kind of thing, you shouldn’t.  I definitely regret it.

[Fireball]

As a mother, it absolutely floors me that anyone would just stand there watching someone else slap their kid like that. It is not acceptable and I hope the article gets around enough that law enforcement actually does something.

The principal religion in France is Islam, due to secularization and the dying off of Catholocism. In France, one can get married in a church, but the secular authority will still require their authorization for it to be legal. The same is true in the US, except that the gov allows churches to officiate at weddings. My wedding certificate says, in effect, "Mr and Mrs Fireball are married by the named priest, who is duly authorized by the gov". As Rev Rye has pointed out, one can be licensed to marry people by the state, regardless of the religion (or the lack thereof).

Because apparently some christians believe god will send babies to hell, unless some ritual is performed that they're too young to understand?

Yes. The doctrine is called "Infant Damnation." To be fair, Catholicism (at least the mainstream kind) isn't comfortable with the idea of God sending babies that young to Hell, and the Catechism's official statement is they generally hope God does the right thing. Honestly, I think it's as much an initiation ritual as anything else.

If I recall my early religious RCC training, unbaptized babies end up in some sort of in-between place called Limbo. Sending a newborn to hell is possibly beyond the pale, even for the RCC.

[LadyForCamus]

As a mother, it absolutely floors me that anyone would just stand there watching someone else slap their kid like that. It is not acceptable and I hope the article gets around enough that law enforcement actually does something.

The principal religion in France is Islam, due to secularization and the dying off of Catholocism. In France, one can get married in a church, but the secular authority will still require their authorization for it to be legal. The same is true in the US, except that the gov allows churches to officiate at weddings. My wedding certificate says, in effect, "Mr and Mrs Fireball are married by the named priest, who is duly authorized by the gov". As Rev Rye has pointed out, one can be licensed to marry people by the state, regardless of the religion (or the lack thereof).

Yes. The doctrine is called "Infant Damnation." To be fair, Catholicism (at least the mainstream kind) isn't comfortable with the idea of God sending babies that young to Hell, and the Catechism's official statement is they generally hope God does the right thing. Honestly, I think it's as much an initiation ritual as anything else.

If I recall my early religious RCC training, unbaptized babies end up in some sort of in-between place called Limbo. Sending a newborn to hell is possibly beyond the pale, even for the RCC.

The RCC has limits?  Who knew?!

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As a mother, it absolutely floors me that anyone would just stand there watching someone else slap their kid like that. It is not acceptable and I hope the article gets around enough that law enforcement actually does something.

Yeah, I mean I was literally counting the seconds as they ticked by, and with each second I was more horrified that the (presumed) mother just stood there.  She didn’t even try to comfort the baby.😞  Perhaps she was the godmother, but still.

[Rev. Rye]

Yes. The doctrine is called "Infant Damnation." To be fair, Catholicism (at least the mainstream kind) isn't comfortable with the idea of God sending babies that young to Hell, and the Catechism's official statement is they generally hope God does the right thing. Honestly, I think it's as much an initiation ritual as anything else.

If I recall my early religious RCC training, unbaptized babies end up in some sort of in-between place called Limbo. Sending a newborn to hell is possibly beyond the pale, even for the RCC.

And the Limbo  hypothesis has been downplayed in recent years, most famously with this famous 2007 document, commissioned by John Paul II and signed off on by Pope Palpatine.

It doesn't totally dismiss the idea of a Limbo, but the Church does not (and probably cannot) pick a side.

[Joods]

The principal religion in France is Islam, due to secularization and the dying off of Catholocism. In France, one can get married in a church, but the secular authority will still require their authorization for it to be legal. The same is true in the US, except that the gov allows churches to officiate at weddings. My wedding certificate says, in effect, "Mr and Mrs Fireball are married by the named priest, who is duly authorized by the gov". As Rev Rye has pointed out, one can be licensed to marry people by the state, regardless of the religion (or the lack thereof).

If I recall my early religious RCC training, unbaptized babies end up in some sort of in-between place called Limbo. Sending a newborn to hell is possibly beyond the pale, even for the RCC.

The RCC has limits?  Who knew?!

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As a mother, it absolutely floors me that anyone would just stand there watching someone else slap their kid like that. It is not acceptable and I hope the article gets around enough that law enforcement actually does something.

Yeah, I mean I was literally counting the seconds as they ticked by, and with each second I was more horrified that the (presumed) mother just stood there.  She didn’t even try to comfort the baby.😞  Perhaps she was the godmother, but still.

Yeah - if anyone ever tried to lay a hand on any of my kids, I'd probably sit in jail with an assault charge because no doubt, I'd do to them what they did to my kid.


Disclaimer added to show that while I am absolutely horrified at the thought of anyone harming my child, this post should in no way, be used against me in future threads should a topic come up that would cause certain individuals to quote mine it for their own agendas, whatever they might be.

[Fireball]

The RCC has limits?  Who knew?!

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Yeah, I mean I was literally counting the seconds as they ticked by, and with each second I was more horrified that the (presumed) mother just stood there.  She didn’t even try to comfort the baby.😞  Perhaps she was the godmother, but still.

Yeah - if anyone ever tried to lay a hand on any of my kids,  I'd probably sit in jail with an assault charge because no doubt,  I'd do to them what they did to my kid.


Disclaimer added to show that while I am absolutely horrified at the thought of anyone harming my child,  this post should in no way,  be used against me in future threads should a topic come up that would cause certain individuals to quote mine it for their own agendas,  whatever they might be.

Did you use Huggies as your children's diapers?

[LadyForCamus]

The RCC has limits?  Who knew?!

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Yeah, I mean I was literally counting the seconds as they ticked by, and with each second I was more horrified that the (presumed) mother just stood there.  She didn’t even try to comfort the baby.😞  Perhaps she was the godmother, but still.

Yeah - if anyone ever tried to lay a hand on any of my kids,  I'd probably sit in jail with an assault charge because no doubt,  I'd do to them what they did to my kid.


Disclaimer added to show that while I am absolutely horrified at the thought of anyone harming my child,  this post should in no way,  be used against me in future threads should a topic come up that would cause certain individuals to quote mine it for their own agendas,  whatever they might be.

Lol, Huggy.

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Yeah - if anyone ever tried to lay a hand on any of my kids,  I'd probably sit in jail with an assault charge because no doubt,  I'd do to them what they did to my kid.


Disclaimer added to show that while I am absolutely horrified at the thought of anyone harming my child,  this post should in no way,  be used against me in future threads should a topic come up that would cause certain individuals to quote mine it for their own agendas,  whatever they might be.

Did you use Huggies as your children's diapers?

Ninja’d! 😂

[The Valkyrie]

Not that I’d ever be in this situation,but if I was, the headline would continue, “and is kicked in the groin by indignant relative”